Author Topic: Load Trouble (Read 872 times)

Jeff Vicars · « **on:** March 11, 2005, 08:21:34 AM »

I'm having a tough time finding a cowboy load that will shoot well in my 45 Ruger Vaquero Bisleys and also in my Model 92 Puma. Suggestions?

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2005, 05:28:43 PM »

What are you using now?
What about the current load isn't working? Accuracy, feeding, fouling?

Hard to give much more advice without more information.
Adios,

Jeff Vicars · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:34:47 PM »

Titegroup with several different lead bullets from 200 grain to 265 grain. I haven't been able to find a load that shoots good in both the rifle and pistols. What shoots good in one won't in the other.

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2005, 04:57:29 AM »

Sounds like you've done some work..
There were some of the 45LC Rugers that didn't have a proper or consistent cut on the throat and/or the cylinder. It may be that your guns need a bit of work. Manatee, manatee@bananariveroutfitters.com is a good guy and he has some experience with the problem.

If none of that works, then I suggest that you get the best shooting round for your pistols that also gives decent accuracy in the rifle. Pistol accuracy is more important in CAS.

Adios,

WD45 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2005, 05:19:43 AM »

I would try some different powders. You should find something that will be acceptable in both. I know most dont like it but I found 700X shoots well from both of mine and even unique is acceptable.

Jeff Vicars · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2005, 09:11:55 AM »

The revolvers shoot better than the rifle with most loads I've tried. The rifle shoots great with higher velocity loads, cowboy loads are the problem. 6.2 grains of Titegroup with 250 grain bullets causes the cases to blacken on one side with the rifle(not enough pressure to seal the chamber).

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2005, 03:51:52 PM »

Howdy again,

You might want to try a tighter crimp on the bullet. I've read and heard that a really good crimp will go a long way to helping the blowback on CAS loads.

Adios,

Jeff Vicars · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2005, 06:16:06 PM »

I've tried no crimp to heavy crimp with the same result.

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2005, 06:47:57 PM »

Sorry amigo,

I'm all out of easy suggestions.
Sounds like you may have more complex problems, which is a shame. The 45LC is just a great cartridge. I don't have a Ruger in that cartridge, but I do have a 66 rifle and a half-dozen Ubertis. They all shoot very well.

Before you start checking mechanical issues, it might be worth picking up a box or two of a factory load and see if you have the same results.
Good luck,

GGaskill · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2005, 07:05:39 PM »

How many times have the cases been fired? The mouths may need annealing to allow them to expand to seal the chamber. Done correctly, this will also prevent splits.

Jeff Vicars · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2005, 05:44:07 AM »

I've been using new unfired brass.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2005, 09:37:02 AM »

Ok, now we have a bit of info and can help a bit. As Big Hext sayz, get a load that is accurate in the pistolas, because that's where ya really need it in CAS, and it will work well enuff in yer lever gun. Now...the blackening of yer cases in the rifle...first up, unless that blowback is coming back through the firing pin and hitting you in the face it's not really a major problem. Jist shoot em that way and clean the cases afore ya reload em, no big deal. But if it's blowing gas in yer face or if yer jist plain finiky and can't stand the dirty cases then there are things you can do still.

As noted already, try annealing the case mouths to soften yer brass a bit so it will flow better into the chamber walls upon firing. Use a HEAVY crimp to give yerself better ignition and give pressure a chance to build a bit before the slug departs the case. And finally, try "necksizing" that brass instead of full length resizing it. That last trickmakes a huge difference with black powder loads in .45 and there's no reason it wouldn't help with smokeless too!