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Offline Don Fischer

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2005, 02:16:55 PM »
Yes I have considered it but I don't have all the fact's, none of us do I don't believe. I'm not prepared to slit anyone's throat based on new's releases. I understand that this is an incredibly emotional thing for many but I fear they're being directed by emotion. What ever kind of dirt ball Michael may or may not be, it's been 15 year's. I'm sure someone know's when he started in with this other woman and how old the kid's are. I doubt that anyone else here has had to live with a similar situtation for so many year's tho.

Now I am an agnostic, I freely admit it, but let me tell you judging this guy what YOUR bible say's about it; "Judge not least ye be judged". Sorry guy's' ya just can't have it both way's!
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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2005, 07:14:37 PM »
I will leave the judging to God but that still does not mean that I cannot sit back and think this guy is a total slime ball. It always seemed funny to me that those who say they do not believe in God can always quote scripture at the drop of a hat?????????????????????????????????????????/ :?
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2005, 08:25:41 PM »
There is considerable difference between one who denies the existence of God, an atheist, and one who is open to but requires proof of the existence of God, an agnostic.  The terms are not interchangeable or synonyms.

There would seem to be plenty of slime to go around, her parents have sold the names of people who donated money to them, through their web site, to a marketing firm.  Who knows what motivated her husband, there is reportedly no money involved, perhaps he enjoys being the object of death threats and vilification, or just maybe he truly believes he is carrying out what would have been her wishes. Whatever his, or her parents, motivations, they could not be anymore disingenuous or suspect then those of the politicians.

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2005, 10:45:29 PM »
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It always seemed funny to me that those who say they do not believe in God can always quote scripture at the drop of a hat?????????????????????????????????????????/ :?


This is OT but not hard to explain at all.  Christians have a printed book 2" thick explaining the rules that they are supposed to live by.  Very few of them actually live what they preach and it's just easy to point it out.  I too am agnostic and enjoy the religious discussions I have with my one of my best friends who is a devout Pentacostal. I almost went to his church's Easter play this past friday in which he played Jesus but got hung up and couldn't make it.  I've also almost posted in response to religious topics a couple times here but always thought better of it. Easier to keep the peace that way.  :wink: I kinda like it here and don't want GB to show me the door.  :-)  I think the opinions I've voiced since my entrance into this forum might have caused an eyebrow or two to rise as it is.

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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2005, 12:21:07 AM »
Jesus gave out a lot of good advice on living and getting along with other people. One doesn't have to be a Christian to incorporate it into one's personal philosophy.  :grin:
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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2005, 05:04:38 AM »
Some of my best friend's are christens. I have a cousin that has been a minister all his life, he's my favorite cousin. I've a brother that married me, he has a Doctorate in the Divinity from Texas christen University. I own a bible that was given me, but have never read it. If you come to my home for dinner and want to say grace, please do, I'll wait on you. I have no desire to tear down ANY faith, I think that if they do for people what they want, then it's perfect. But please, don't profess to be christens on one hand then ignore your teaching's when it suit's you.

As I said, this subject is very emotional. And we are but mortal human's. It's not our place to judge anyone without the full fact's. I could quote you another part of the bible here but I won't. Let's not turn this into some kind of crusade. Fair enough? No offence taken and none intended.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2005, 07:14:29 AM »
Don I do not read the bible very often My religion (Catholic) has readings of the bible passages in church but does not get into the bible study that some religions do. Still I know it says that you should not be with one woman  when you are married to another ( Seems to me the law takes a dim view on it also) so all I am saying is he should have gotten the first marriage annulled Which I am postitive the Catholic Church would have done considering the circumstances. Considering he stuck around even after his shenanigans makes you wonder whats up with him and what motives he has. Now I am not saying I am perfect in any way but In this guys case he has gotten himself into a glass bowl that every one can see so criticism is all part of the game he has gotten himself into even with the religion aspect out of it. Jim
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2005, 08:17:34 AM »
FLORIDA LIVING WILL FORM:

I, __________________________________ (fill in the blank), being of sound mind and body, unequivocally declare that in the event of a catastrophic injury, I do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. I hereby instruct my loved ones and relatives to remove any and all life-support systems, once it has been determined that my brain is longer functioning in a cognizant realm. However that judgment should be made only after thorough consultation with medical experts; i.e., individuals who actually have been trained, educated and certified as doctors.

Under no circumstances -- and I can't state this too strongly -- should my fate be put in the hands of peckerwood politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. Furthermore, it is my firm hope that, whenever 'the time' does comes, any discussion about terminating my medical treatment should remain private and confidential.

Living in Florida, however, I am acutely aware that the legislative and executive branches of state government are fond of meddling in family matters, and have little concern for the privacy and dignity of individuals.

Therefore, I wish to make my views on this subject as clear and unambiguous as possible.

Recognizing that some politicians seem cerebrally challenged themselves (and with no medical excuse), I'll try to keep this simple and to the point:

1. While remaining sensitive to the feelings of any loved ones who might cling to hope for my recovery, let me state that if a reasonable amount of time passes -- say, ________ (fill in the blank) months -- and I fail to sit up and ask for a cold beer, it should be presumed that I won't ever get better.
When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse, children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and call it a day.

2. Under no circumstances shall the members of the Legislature enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these boneheads will mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and the future of the millions of Floridians who aren't in a permanent coma.

3. Under no circumstances shall any governor of Florida butt into this case and order my doctors to put a feeding tube down my throat. I don't care how many fundamentalist votes he's trying to scrounge for his run for the presidency in 2008, it is my wish that he plays politics with someone else's life and leaves me to die in peace.

4. I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know these people, and I certainly haven't authorized them to preach and crusade on my behalf. They should mind their own business, too.

5. It is my heartfelt wish to expire quietly and without a public spectacle.  This is obviously impossible once any elected officials become involved. So, while recognizing the wrenching emotions that attend the prolonged death of a loved one, I hereby instruct my relatives to settle all disagreements about my care in private or in the courts, as provided by law.

If any of my family goes against my wishes and turns my case into a political cause, I hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living _______ (something you can't say on the Internet)
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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2005, 12:29:19 PM »
Today is Terri's 13th day without food or water. Hopefully within a day or two the good Lord will take her into his hands and she will be in a place better than this earth. Yet the parents want to further prolong the matter by filing another appeal to re-insert the feeding tube. Don't they understand that if they put it in now, it could make her matters would worse and might involve death? She's gone past the point of no-return...why try to bring her back? I don't get it.  :D
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2005, 01:40:39 PM »
Patriot,

Sources have said from the beginning that it would take Ms Schiavo two weeks to pass from starvation. So, it is just the right amount of time. I did some research on the argument of her feeling pain during this rough time. This is what I came up with:

According to this, Schiavo can not 'feel' pain

But back to the starvation, according to Wikipedia.com (online Encyclopedia), one can go for 2 months without food before organ damage and death occur. But that is in a normal person. So maybe in Terri's case b/c she's already brain dead as it is, the starvation process will be increased b/c the brain is not functioning? That's just an assumption. Otherwise it would be a load of bull to say it would only take two weeks.

I think we're all beating a dead horse now. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong to talk about it and debate it out, but I'm sure within the next day or two, or so I hope (for the good of Ms. Schiavo of course) she will pass into Heaven. Let's hope she can be blessed with passing within a reasonable amount of time.  :D
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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2005, 02:31:52 PM »
You're right, one can go on for a long time without food, but go without water and you will expire rather quickly.  She will end up dying of dehydration, not starvation.
Remember those guys making political statements by going on hunger strikes a few years ago?  They were drinking water the whole time.

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2005, 02:35:06 PM »
Fishman029,

I understand what you mean about beating a dead horse; I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long.  But, I myself don't want it to turn into an argument of positions or certain points of view.  I thank those who have participated in this thread and kept the atmosphere at a reasonable level.  

Anyway, the thought I was originally trying to get at, or at least find out, is does anybody understand, this IS a woman, a human being, being starved but more so dehydrated to DEATH.  It seems nobody has taken note of that, or found anything objectionable about it.  That is what gives me the chills at times (or at least got me a little angered/surprised). :shock:  Or if there has been something mentioned according to what I phrased already, then I apologize for having missed it.  

So I would consider this my last post on this subject, unless there is something I feel must be made known or described in a different manner.

BTW, I removed another post I made before Fishman had posted his, as I really didn't want to become too much more involved in this issue.  Sorry 'bout that Fishman.  Main reason being, I don't have the kind of time required to set up debate points or anything.  I really don't like getting into discussions about politics as well, for the same reason above.  I'll more likely be scooting around on Shooting and Reloading topics or some such.  Hopefully discuss something else with ya folks there sometime.  

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2005, 03:33:02 PM »
Patriot,

I hope I didn't kill your fire. Sorry if I did.

I sort of understand about the concept that if Mr. Schiavo lets her die like this it is almost humane. The only thing that keeps me from getting angered over this is the fact that she can't feel the pain, and the fact that by letting her slip is almost putting her out of her misery. Some might argue that we might as well pull a gun on her, but that's murder. This isn't, in my mind. Take care ya'll.  :D
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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2005, 03:33:52 PM »
DON. No offence here, but I'd like to hear what Bible quote you are referring to. Thank you Sir. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D
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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2005, 03:35:29 PM »
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Anyway, the thought I was originally trying to get at, or at least find out, is does anybody understand, this IS a woman, a human being, being starved but more so dehydrated to DEATH.  It seems nobody has taken note of that, or found anything objectionable about it.  


Patriot, if you are still reading, in the view of many of us, a woman is finally being granted her wish not to be forced to stay alive while permanently incapacitated. It's a pity that this is the only legal way to grant that request, but it is. I have written directives that I not be kept alive artificially and specifically include a feeding tube. Florida law and the laws of many other states define feeding tubes as life support.

Because there is so much misinformation floating around, I will point out that the court heard testimony from three witnesses that Terri had directed that she not be kept alive if incapacitated. There was not a single witness that Terri had ever said that she wanted to be kept alive, even if by life support.

I place a very high value on respecting the wishes of the individual.

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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2005, 06:11:26 PM »
Fishman029 wrote:

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Don't worry; no fire has been killed.  I do know, that some people think one way, and others think another.    

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Patriot, if you are still reading,


I'll still be popping in to check out this thread every now and then and see what may develop.  But hey, you can only say so much before its talked out I guess. :wink:
   
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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2005, 01:59:21 AM »
For what it is worth from a medical stand point(I am a nurse) The morphine was given to her to help her with her respirations. As the ammonias and potassium build up in your blood stream, your respirations become more labored trying to expel some of them with your breathing out. Morphine in low doses will calm the breathing down, and in high doses will suppress respirations all together. In My humble opinion it would be false to say she has no brain function and has no brain. If she has none she would have been dead. Obviusly she had enough to keep her breathing on her own and in fact some nurses said she could swallow until the therapy was stopped by her loving adultrerer husband.  I believe if in fact Terri expressed her wishes not to be kept alive, she had a right to die. I just disagree with the idea of allowing it to happen in a way you would be arrested for if you did it to an animal. Seems quite inhumane to me to let someone lie there for almost 2 weeks not feeding or hydrating them. If the judge had the will to say stop feeding her why not say give her a shot and put her out quickly like you would a dog. A large dose of morphine would do it, but that would be murder. However letting her lie there for 2 weeks not eating or drinking is ok.
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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2005, 05:12:19 AM »
BUBBA. Thank you for explaining it in medical terms. A bullet would have been more humane, and I can't believe she had no feelings. POWDERMAN.  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2005, 08:54:52 AM »
Interesting points raised. Perhaps can be taken further. Questions to ponder ...

Suppose a circumstance where Mrs. Schiavo had been on that feeding tube for a year or several, and both husband and parents had presented a united front in favor of removing the feeding tube. This time uncontested, but no different medically. Still wrong?

And what about those advanced directives? A guardian appointed by a written power of attorney decides to have the feeding tube removed from the patient. Different legal but same medical situation. Wrong, or not?

For that matter, is the advanced directive itself tantamount to suicide planned in advance? Legal, but ... morally wrong?

In a news byte sometime during the past week, one of those milling around outside the hospice said, "it's not [about] what Terri wants, it's what God wants." God's will trumps the law. Of course, there's no dearth of folk who will tell you exactly what God's will is.
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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2005, 11:29:43 AM »
the probles is Doc thatshe did not have any of those papers and there is the undeniable possibility she did not want to die. With no paper work to say so the rest is hear say. I believe the court was wrong to rule the way they did with so much evidence to the contrary the courts did not allow. When in doubt rule for life until you get all the facxts not the word of her hubby who lives with another woman and went outside his marriage
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« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2005, 11:47:39 AM »
Guys, really, what does it matter now? Terri is dead, autoposied, and planned to be buried wherever. Michael Schiavo's conspiracy's matter nothing now, didn't matter in Terri's last week of life, because revealing them wouldn't have saved her life. What's the point? To debate about it? That's OK I guess...but to keep slandering him for what he did is useless; he did it. Get over it. Or embrace it. In my case, I think he did the right think b/c now Terri is in the hands of the Lord; where she should be. I think enough is enough; unless it's harmless debate. Then, carry on.  :D
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