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Offline 95Road King

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« on: December 01, 2004, 05:31:10 AM »
O. K. , Youv'e got my interst in D.W. gun's. I'm goin to a gun show this wk. end and look. Want a .44 Mag or a .41 mag if D.W. ever made one.
   My ? is, what model's should I stay away from?? Any other info I might want to know??  Thank's. :?

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2004, 06:52:12 AM »
The only DW's I shy away from are the 22's.  I don't really know why the DW concept does not work well in the 22 calibers, but it doesn't.  Other than that I would say that the Norwich, NY made guns (current production) and the Monson, MA made guns (first company production) are probably a little, and a stress a little, better in quality control.  I have never had a Palmer, MA made gun that gave me any trouble, but the Norwich and the Monson guns are definitely top flight.

1.  Check all the usual things like timing, lockup, crane fit and cylinder end shake.  

2.  Since the cylinder gap is adjustable, if it is adjusted to close, it will make the cylinder hard to turn and sometimes appear out of time when it is not.  Just make sure the cylinder face is not dragging against the forcing cone as the cylinder spins.  This is a rarely encountered problem and easily fixed in a couple minutes by simply adjusting the gap properly, but I have seen it once or twice in the last 20 years when buying used Dan Wessons.

3.  Beware of guns that are assembled with the Power Port barrels.  You can tell by looking down the muzzle (with the cylinder open and unlaoded of course).  If you see several small holes equally spaced in a ring about 1/2 inch from the muzzle, then it is a Power Port barrel.  This was an early attempt at a recoil compensator that did not work very well.  Fouling, especially from non-jacketed lead bullets would build up in these ports and make barrel and shroud removal VERY difficult if the Power Port barrel was not removed and cleaned REGULARLY WITHOUT FAIL.  If the owner of the gun will quickly remove the shroud to show you it is not stuck, then you are OK on the Power Port issue.  Otherwise, beware buying a gun that has a Power Port barrel mounted to the gun.  I NEVER use Power Port barrels.  They don't shoot any better or worse than the regular barrels, but they require a lot more regular maintenance for no apparent benefit.  The newer Compensated barrels, distinguished by 3 slots on top of the shroud just forwad of the front sight, work great and do not have any of the fouling type problems no matter what you shoot in them, with the possible exception of the snake shot loads, which I would not fire in any ported or compensated DW gun.

4.  Also beware of the very early and short lived "pork chop" barrel Dan Wessons.  This gun is distinguished by the "L" shaped barrel shroud and the protruding barrel nut at the muzzle.  I have never heard anything bad about this gun, it is just that none of the modern DW barrels will fit this early model.

5.  Also be aware that there was a short period of time when Dan Wesson made fixed barrel guns in addition to the interchangeable barrel design.  I believe these were all made in Palmer, MA .  So make sure Palmer guns actually have the interchangable barrels if that is important to you.

  Every Dan Wesson I ever bought was used.  They are so well designed and made that they usually shoot as good as new, unless they have been VERY abused, which is usually obvious at a glance from the appearance of the gun and the simple function tests mentioned above.  I hope you find what you are looking for.  I hunt deer with a scoped DW 44 mag that is so accurate it is scary.

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2004, 07:18:12 AM »
Rolltide:
     Thank's for the VERY INFORMINTIVE info. I looked on "Gun's America"
  and some of the used price's were scary!!
               Thank's again. :grin:

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2004, 01:29:32 AM »
Some of those guys on Gus America ask such high prices that their guns have been on there way over a year with no takers.  You can always email and offer them less.  Just keep watching the auctions.  gunbroker.com and auctionarms.com is also a good place to check regularly.  Each of those sites have 44's for less than $300 right now.  A lot of people ask big prices and never get a bid.  Ever so often, you will see a reasonable one.  I have found local pawn shops a good place to find good prices on DW's.  I think I paid $275 for the 44 Mag gun I hunt with.  

Let us know what you find.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2004, 06:13:11 AM »
Rolltide:
    WOW!!! 275-300 dollar's is a very good price for a 44 mag.
 Another 2 question's. Do DW pistol's have to be drilled and tapped for scope base's???  Did DW ever make a 41 mag??
  Thank's for taking the time to reply. :grin:

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2004, 07:00:10 AM »
As far as scope bases go. you can drill and tap the shroud, or buy the ones that mount to the vent rib.  I have them both ways and they work fine either way.  The factory uses Burris mounts that are drilled and taped, but Bquare makes a clamp on model.  The scope mounts pop up on ebay, gunbroker.com and autionarms.com on a regular basis.

Dan Wesson did make a 41 mag and a 414 Supermag, which is identical to the 41 mag except it is 1/3" longer.  Both these guns are much rarer to find used than the 44 mag, and if you do find one, the price usually reflects that.
I believe the 41 mag is still available new, but I am not certain about that.

The 41 Mag is identical in size to the 44 mag except for the holes in the cylinder and barrel, so it is slightly heavier than the 44 Mag.

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2004, 01:30:35 PM »
Some of the old ones didn't have a vent rib but a solid rib.  These of course have to be drilled and taped.  Good luck.  I love my DW :wink: ........Van

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2004, 02:49:24 PM »
VAN/TX
         Very nice.!!!!!! I've decided to set up my S&W 686 (357) for deer.
    Been reading some of the .357 post's and they claim it's very adequete? for deer using today's ammo. Not to brag, but I am a very good  hand gun shooter. Just never shot at a deer with one.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2005, 05:21:31 AM »
The 414 is stil available.
 I just placed an order  for a DW 7414  Pistol Pack,6-8 weeks delivery,this comes with 4-6-8" bll, 2 grips,seperate shrouds the 6-8" will be drilled/tapped for scope mount all in a case.

Corrected--I was told 6-8 weeks NOT 4-6 weeks

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005, 08:24:42 AM »
For those that are interested,still waiting (8 weeks) on Pistol Pack,I put in call today waiting for call back.


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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 06:02:26 AM »
Sean,
Thanks for the update.  Let us know when they arrive.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2005, 01:07:06 PM »
Last week they (Dan Wesson) said 2 more weeks :cry:

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2005, 10:11:57 AM »
:D  :D

Got the call today, will pick up 7414 Pistol Pack tonight.I already have 210 XTP,210 Nosler and 255,295 and 305gr cast loads ready to go ,will shoot tomorrow and Saturday and post some results .
 ** 1 Bad Note,they did NOT drill and tap like I asked  :( ,but when time comes I will send it back to tap 6" and 8" bll.


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