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« on: March 23, 2005, 04:04:30 PM »
Acording to records of the Florida Social Services and a Doctors review Jeb Bush on the news tonite said that Terri's case may have been misdiagnosed and that she may be not vegatative but have a low level of consciousness
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2005, 05:06:55 PM »
On Newsnight tonight, CNN's resident neurosurgeon, Sanjay Gupta, having reviewed that doctor's written findings, said that there's no medical evidence therein that would lead one to believe that the original diagnosis of record is in error.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2005, 06:17:36 PM »
I guess I am a bit confused on this but I thought if you were brain dead and on life support you died. The only life support that I know she is on or that they have mentioned is a feeding tube no respirators or anything else so what is keeping her alive then??? She must have some spark left for the body to keep on working? Jim
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005, 10:59:22 PM »
My rudimentary understanding and the basis for my opinion on the subject, are that the parts of her brain that "are" Terri are physically gone, rotted away as it were, as a result of her heart not beating for 6 minutes while the EMTs were enroute.  It died from oxygen deprivation.  The part that survived is her brain stem, the part of the brain that controls involuntary actions like heart beat, breathing etc.  Eating is a voluntary action.  Her 'life support' is the food tube.  Her parents argue that she can be rehabilitated.  If her brain is that far gone, there is nothing left to rehab.  It's not damaged, it's just not there at all.  No hope.

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2005, 12:32:23 AM »
Over on Hunt America one of the posters put up a copy of an interview by Sean Hannity of a doctor who was nominated for a Nobel Prize in this field. He examined her ten hours, reviewd all the records carefully and studied all the tapes. You should all listen to what he has to say. Go over and take a gander; or I'm sure you could search it out at Fox news or Hannity and Colmes.

I agree with the President, if we err, let it be on the side for life.


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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2005, 03:30:08 AM »
Well shucks guys, lets just put a bullet or 2 in her and take her out of our misery, she won't feel a thing. Starving to death takes too long, why prolong our agony. I'm really disappointed in some of the attitudes here. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2005, 03:48:33 AM »
Wait a minute now.  If being partially brain dead is reason enough to off somebody, then maybe this is the ticket to getting rid of a bunch of liberals.  Heaven knows they are all more than a little bit brain dead.
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2005, 06:35:27 AM »
U.S. Supreme Court rejects Schiavo appeal

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Supreme Court turned down Terri SchiavoÂ’s parents Thursday, declining to intervene to keep the brain-damaged woman alive, while Florida Gov. Jeb Bush lost his bid before a state judge to help the parents regain control of their daughter from her husband.
 
The Supreme Court decision, announced in a terse one-page order, marked the end of a dramatic four-day dash through the federal court system by Bob and Mary Schindler.

The justices did not immediately provide legal reasons for the decision, and no justice issued a written dissent with the ruling. The Supreme Court had declined other opportunities to get involved in the Schiavo case and legal experts said there was little reason to believe justices would intervene this time.

SchiavoÂ’s feeding tube was removed last Friday and doctors have said she likely would die within a week or two at a hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., where she is being cared for.

In Florida, Gov. Bush and FloridaÂ’s social services agency had filed a petition in state court to take custody of Schiavo and, presumably, reconnect her feeding tube. It cited new allegations of neglect and challenged SchiavoÂ’s diagnosis as being in a persistent vegetative state.

The custody request was denied by Judge George Greer, who has presided over the case for several years and issued the ruling last month that allowed the feeding tube to be removed.

The request was based on the opinion of a neurologist working for the state who observed Schiavo at her bedside but did not examine her.

The neurologist, William Cheshire of the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, is a bioethicist who is also an active member in Christian organizations, including two whose leaders have spoken out against the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube

Unjust death?
In their emergency appeal filed Wednesday night before the Supreme Court, the Schindlers had argued that their 41-year-old daughter faced an unjust and imminent death based on a decision by her husband to remove a feeding tube without strong proof of her consent. They alleged constitutional violations of due process and religious freedom.

The filing also argued that Congress intended for SchiavoÂ’s tube to be reinserted, at least temporarily, when it passed an extraordinary law last weekend that gave federal courts authority to fully review her case. Previously, only Florida state courts had ruled, and always in favor of Michael Schiavo, Terri Schiavo's husband, who has said she told him that she would not have wanted to live in her condition.

Republicans joined appeal
Republican leaders in Congress refused to give up entirely Wednesday. In legal papers prepared for filing at the Supreme Court, they argued that a federal appeals court that ruled against the parents earlier this week had “failed to adhere to the plain meaning” of the emergency legislation.
 
The legislation required that a new, independent evaluation of her case be made, according to papers. It also required the courts to “ensure that desperately needed nutritional support” is provided to Schiavo while the review is conducted, the papers stated.

Lawyers for Michael Schiavo said in their Supreme Court filing that Terri Schiavo would want to die. The filing said Congress violated the Constitution when it passed a bill allowing federal court review of her case, because that tried to overturn state court rulings in favor of Michael Schiavo.

“That is not an exercise of legislative power, but trial by legislature. ... Any law that suspends, nullifies, or reverses a final court judgment is an exercise of judicial, not legislative power,” the filing said.

The late-night appeal followed rapid-fire developments in the case.

In Florida, Gov. Bush tried to build support for Schiavo's parents by saying new evidence suggests her condition was misdiagnosed, even though doctors have said for years that Schiavo is severely brain-damaged and in a persistent vegetative state.

Republicans in the Florida Senate tried to pass a law that would prohibit patients like Schiavo from being denied food and water if they didnÂ’t express their wishes in writing, but their effort was defeated.

The flurry of activity came as President Bush suggested that Congress and the White House had done all they could to keep the woman alive.

‘Please let my daughter live’
Supporters of SchiavoÂ’s parents have become increasingly dismayed, and 13 protesters were arrested Wednesday outside her hospice for trying to bring her water.

 
“When I close my eyes at night, all I can see is Terri’s face in front of me, dying, starving to death,” Mary Schindler said outside the hospice. “Please, someone out there, stop this cruelty. Stop the insanity. Please let my daughter live.”

While the Supreme Court had declined to hear the case previously in appeals from state court rulings, what made it different this time was that the appeal would come from a federal ruling.

The Supreme CourtÂ’s history on right-to-die cases is pretty thin. It ruled in 1990 that a terminally ill person has a right to refuse life-sustaining treatment. In its next term, it plans to consider whether the federal government can prosecute doctors who help ill patients die.

Between those cases, the court has chosen to allow states to decide the issue.

Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped briefly from a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder. Court-appointed doctors say she is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery.

Her parents argue that she could get better and that she would never have wanted to be cut off from food and water.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2005, 11:31:09 AM »
TM7,

That thought only hit me yesterday and I must agree on that. The husband won a mal-practice suit back in the '90's and since then has been paying for her. But the funding is now running out. What to do? :?  Let the poor woman die in peace already. The Lord will take good care of her.  :D
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2005, 12:07:43 PM »
I read today that it's costing about $200 a day to keep her "alive".  All the cost is being privately funded at this time. They didn't say exactly who was paying.

The doctor that J. Bush is quoting as saying that she might have been misdiagnosed was with her for one hour, did not do a complete exam and is an active member of 3 conservative Christian groups.  I wouldn't believe him if he told me that rain drops out of clouds.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2005, 12:15:00 PM »
Several death row or at least a couple of Death Row inmates were taken off Death Row  recently because irregularities in their trials.So why not let Terri live and work out her "irregularities"?Where is Hillary,where is Kerry ,where are any liberal POS's?
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2005, 01:03:02 PM »
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Several death row or at least a couple of Death Row inmates were taken off Death Row recently because irregularities in their trials.So why not let Terri live and work out her "irregularities"?Where is Hillary,where is Kerry ,where are any liberal POS's?


The irregularities have been "worked" in the state courts for seven years now.

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2005, 03:41:41 PM »
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I read today that it's costing about $200 a day to keep her "alive".  All the cost is being privately funded at this time. They didn't say exactly who was paying.

The doctor that J. Bush is quoting as saying that she might have been misdiagnosed was with her for one hour, did not do a complete exam and is an active member of 3 conservative Christian groups.  I wouldn't believe him if he told me that rain drops out of clouds.

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2005, 11:07:58 PM »
The right to die...The right to live...the questions about her state have been answered...last minute appeals trying to circumvent the law while noble...is unconstitutional...no-matter how heart wrenching it is...all of us complain when the Liberals try it with our guns .....now...when it's about what a husband and wife had agreed upon,but unfortunately never put down on paper.. we...the moral majority is crying foul.. trying everyway possible to bend the laws to suit us...even to making new ones that interfere with our rights...and it still boils down to ...who has the right to pull the plug on a loved one...the legally married spouses...or the parents......
 
So many years... and...100's of 1000's of dollars later......the only law that should  be made because of all of this...is one mandating a living will...for everyone...then...this type tragedy won't happen again...
 
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2005, 03:31:55 AM »
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So many years... and...100's of 1000's of dollars later......the only law that should be made because of all of this...is one mandating a living will...for everyone...then...this type tragedy won't happen again...


:shock: . They should've thought of that before, dumb liberals. :D
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2005, 08:52:08 AM »
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Over on Hunt America one of the posters put up a copy of an interview by Sean Hannity of a doctor who was nominated for a Nobel Prize in this field.


His name is Hammesfahr.  The Nobel Prize committee neither discloses nor discusses nomination for 50 years. Here's an accurate excerpt about him:

In February 2003, the Florida Board of Medicine ruled that he violated state law by charging a patient for services that were not provided (Finding of Fact No. 71, PDF p. 40). The board fined Hammesfahr $2,000, placed him on probation for six months, and ordered him to pay approximately $52,000 in administrative costs and to perform 100 hours of community service. While the board also ruled that Hammesfahr's treatment of stroke patients, using a procedure he has claimed could help Terri Schiavo, was "not within the generally accepted standard of care" (Finding of Fact No. 55, PDF p. 33), it declined to rule that the treatment was harmful to his patients and noted that some patients improved after treatment.

An October 23, 2002, Tampa Tribune article reported that during an October 2002 hearing, George Felos, attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, questioned Hammesfahr's qualifications, noting that he "charges cash for treatments and advertises himself as a nominee for a Nobel Prize based on a letter his congressman wrote to the Nobel committee." An October 25, 2003, St. Petersburg Times article noted that Greer, who presided over the hearing, called Hammesfahr a "self-promoter" who "offered no names, no case studies, no videos and no test results to support his claim" that he had treated patients worse off than Terri Schiavo.

In October 2001, a Florida appellate court ruled that five doctors should examine Terri Schiavo, all of whom testified at the October 2002 hearing, along with her attending physician. Hammesfahr was one of two doctors chosen by Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler. Two others were chosen by Michael Schiavo, and one was appointed by the court. An October 17, 2002, Philadelphia Inquirer article noted that while Hammesfahr and the other doctor chosen by the Schindlers claimed that Terri Schiavo could be helped, her attending physician, the court-appointed physician, and the doctors selected by Michael Schiavo all stated that her condition would not improve.

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2005, 11:34:03 AM »
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The doctor that J. Bush is quoting as saying that she might have been misdiagnosed.... is an active member of 3 conservative Christian groups.  I wouldn't believe him if he told me that rain drops out of clouds.

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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2005, 12:42:39 PM »
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The doctor that J. Bush is quoting as saying that she might have been misdiagnosed.... is an active member of 3 conservative Christian groups.  I wouldn't believe him if he told me that rain drops out of clouds.

That thar combination of thoughts might get a feller railroaded off this forum, suggest Dali Llama.



Its a sad thing Dali, but many of them are as narrowminded as any other group with an adgenda.
Show me a conservative Christian that wants to let nature take its course with this woman.

I consider myself a conservative & I'm a Christian as well, But I cant see how if God wanted her to live she'd need a machine.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2005, 01:53:10 PM »
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The doctor that J. Bush is quoting as saying that she might have been misdiagnosed.... is an active member of 3 conservative Christian groups.  I wouldn't believe him if he told me that rain drops out of clouds.

That thar combination of thoughts might get a feller railroaded off this forum, suggest Dali Llama.



Its a sad thing Dali, but many of them are as narrowminded as any other group with an adgenda.

They certainly do not possess a sole proprietorship in narrowmindedness, postulate Dali Llama. :-)
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2005, 02:45:25 PM »
I think if the rest of the country would butt out the state & feds would as well.
The politicians only care because they see alot of votes coming their way if they intervene. Havent seen any of our wealthy Gov't officials offering to pick up the tab.
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2005, 04:48:47 AM »
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I think if the rest of the country would butt out the state & feds would as well.
The politicians only care because they see alot of votes coming their way if they intervene. Havent seen any of our wealthy Gov't officials offering to pick up the tab.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2005, 06:55:06 AM »
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I think if the rest of the country would butt out the state & feds would as well.
The politicians only care because they see alot of votes coming their way if they intervene. Havent seen any of our wealthy Gov't officials offering to pick up the tab.
Yeah, where's Teddy's $#@!ing Kennedy millions, ask Dali Llama????


Dali, Teddy kills them he does not try to save them!  :?
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2005, 07:16:03 AM »
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I think if the rest of the country would butt out the state & feds would as well.
The politicians only care because they see alot of votes coming their way if they intervene. Havent seen any of our wealthy Gov't officials offering to pick up the tab.
Yeah, where's Teddy's $#@!ing Kennedy millions, ask Dali Llama????


Dali, Teddy kills them he does not try to save them!  :?

Dali Llama say so sorry, he always think Teddy be the savior of the downtrodden masses. :)  :-D  :)  :D
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