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« on: March 29, 2005, 12:56:52 PM »
The following is a piece by Monica J. Kern, associate psychology professor at the University of Kentucky, appearing in yesterday's “Lexington Herald Leader”.

Academia’s Double Standard

It may be March Madness for basketball, but it’s the silly season for academia.  The ivory towers have always had their share of bad scandals, but rarely do they spill over into general awareness.
   That all changed with the Ward Churchill and Larry Summers controversies that have attracted significant public interest in the past couple of months.  In many ways, these are similar controversies, and both ultimately revolve around  the issue of academic freedom.
   A brief recap for those who have been wrapped up in the Michael Jackson trial: Ward Churchill is the embattled professor who first attracted attention with an essay in which he called the victims of 911 “little Eichmanns”.  That would have been enough to rouse the public’s ire but subsequent investigations suggest that Churchill, who won tenure despite lacking a Ph.D., and without undergoing the usual rigorous review process, does not have Native American heritage, despite his indicating so in his employment application and despite affirmative action having played a major role in his hiring.
    He also has been alleged to have dabbled in art fraud and plagiarism.  Oh, and did I forget to mention the allegations of inciting terrorist attacks and taking a swing at a reporter?
   So, Ward’s in a heap of trouble, and it seems every day a new allegation emerges.  You have to feel sorry for the Colorado regents.  It appears that these pesky things called academic freedom and tenure will make it well-nigh impossible to fire Churchill unless the regents can make the plagiarism allegations stick.  Even so, Churchill has made it clear that he will not go quietly, and that any attempt to dismiss him will result in a protracted, expensive legal struggle.
   Compare now the Churchill mess with the Summers Brouhaha.  Summers is the president of Harvard University who had the temerity to speculate publicly on why there are so few female professors in the hard sciences at elite universities.  Turns out that there are a number of possible reasons, each with some support in the scientific literature, but Summers’ acknowledgement that one reason might involve documented sex differences in innate mathematical abilities may be his Waterloo.
   Despite having apologized roughly 3,265 times and formed new committees and initiatives to increase female faculty, Summers recently suffered the ignominy of a faculty vote of no confidence.  His future as president of Harvard is in doubt.
   Watching these two controversies play out in the media glare leaves me cynical, depressed and embarrassed to be an academic.  On the one hand, we have a buffoon who is clearly unsuited to be a professor and who was hired on the basis of a presumed Native American heritage that turns out to be phony.  Yet it is clear that he will be at Colorado for years, pending a lawsuit that the university has no stomach for.
   On the other hand, we have Summers, who may not win any awards for political sensitivity but is widely acknowledged to be a man of great talent and intellect.  Moreover, a careful examination of what he actually said shows that it is supported by empirical data.
   Yet, he is the guy who is probably going to be out of job.  Some have argued that what made Summers’ actions so horrible is that he was speaking as the president of Harvard, but I don’t buy that.
   If what he said has merit – and most people who look at the controversy dispassionately will concede that Summer’s arguments are reasonable hypotheses that deserve further scrutiny – it should not matter who makes the arguments.
   What’s wrong with this picture?  The guy who has the guts to tell the truth is vilified by his own faculty, whereas Churchill’s colleagues paid $1600 to run a full page ad in his defense.  Why doesn’t the umbrella of academic freedom that protects a charlatan like Churchill cover Summers as well?
   Or could it be that academic freedom works only if you’re spouting the politically correct liberal-female-leftist line?
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2005, 01:44:39 PM »
Higher sites of education are so filled these days with Leftist wacked out professors spouting their own ajenda instead of what they should be teaching is enough to make you puke. No wonder our education system is failing. Before you teachers out there get offended I know there are some good teachers out there and should be commended unfortunately there are more than enough goofballs to go around also. Jim
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2005, 12:18:01 PM »
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Before you teachers out there get offended I know there are some good teachers out there and should be commended unfortunately there are more than enough goofballs to go around also. Jim
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2005, 01:06:49 PM »
Why worry about “leftist whackos” in education?  In the late 60s and early 70s when left wing whackos were at their zenith, little Georgie Bush was at Yale, class of 68, while not as whacko left as Berkley, defiantly in the top ten.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2005, 05:47:26 PM »
You may think the 60's and 70's were the Zenith of the Liberal leftist communistic nut jobs who masquaraded as College professors but that was just the beginning. It is a sad thing what college cost these days and the inferior education kids are getting.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2005, 11:17:12 PM »
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You may think the 60's and 70's were the Zenith of the Liberal leftist communistic nut jobs who masquaraded as College professors but that was just the beginning. It is a sad thing what college cost these days and the inferior education kids are getting.


Tell it Brudda..  I have been employed as a Contractor with the Gov't for 10 years, working on helicopters.  It pays well and has decent bennies but I got the job based on my military experience.  I don't have a degree. We had some layoffs a few years ago and altho I wasn't affected it made me feel a little vulnerable as I don't have much to fall back on.  

I went to a local college to see what they had to offer in the way of programs in the electrical engineering field.  What I found made me bench the idea.  I told them that I wanted to look into their "electrical engineering technologies" 2 year program with the intent of transferring that to a 4 year "electrical engineer" program when I was done.  What I found was that very little from one program was accepted in the other.  In addition, when I looked at the 4 year program, I saw that a great deal of what was required had absolutely zero to do with engineering, just padding to soak up my money and time and to provide teaching jobs to people with basically useless degrees.  It's self propogating idiocy, get a degree to teach people to get that degree.  I kept hearing the words "well rounded" getting thrown around.  Isn't that what Kindergarden through 12 is for?

I think they should have someone like me without a degree to sit as head of a panel of experts on the various fields and go thru the curriculums.  I would ask one question with a red pen in my hand. "What does this have to do with producing a quality (fill in the job).  If the so called experts didn't come up with a good answer... with a swipe of the red pen, no longer required.  I bet I could cut a year or 2 of crap filler off of every 4 year degree.

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2005, 12:56:30 AM »
Haywire,

I agree with you on this one. The only thing "well rounded" refers to is the wallets of many in volved in this degenerated system we call education. An aquaintance of mine was a college prof. for around 20 yrs or so and said he was glad to retire as the whole system was making him sick and it was way too political-mostly liberal.

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2005, 03:08:31 AM »
It's been a long time since I've been around any schoolin, but I sure hope the tech schools haven't degenerated into political correctness.  When I got my degree, I don't remember things being political.

As for the fluff classes that you have to take along with the serious stuff; I guess I'm glad I had to take them, because even though most of them didn't pertain to makin a living, they did make the old noggin work a little.  As I look back on it now, I really appreciate some of the English and economics classes that really had nothing much to do with my major.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2005, 06:05:28 AM »
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It's been a long time since I've been around any schoolin, but I sure hope the tech schools haven't degenerated into political correctness.  When I got my degree, I don't remember things being political.

As for the fluff classes that you have to take along with the serious stuff; I guess I'm glad I had to take them, because even though most of them didn't pertain to makin a living, they did make the old noggin work a little.  As I look back on it now, I really appreciate some of the English and economics classes that really had nothing much to do with my major.


Problem is if you would have had decent teachers and schools  from K through 12 you would not have to take English and Economics ect in Tech schools but since they realize that a lot of their students do not have the proper schooling because of crappy schools they provide it so you at least get the education you need there. Some schools they run them through like cattle wether they learn or not. Its a a shame as a country as good as we have could be so much better if our young learned like some of the other cultures do. Jim
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2005, 10:59:34 AM »
Quote from: magooch
As for the fluff classes that you have to take along with the serious stuff; I guess I'm glad I had to take them, because even though most of them didn't pertain to makin a living, they did make the old noggin work a little.  As I look back on it now, I really appreciate some of the English and economics classes that really had nothing much to do with my major.


This is why I think a non-degree holder (uncorrupted by not being immersed the system for years) should head up my imaginary panel.  My wife holds a masters and has the attitude of "I did it so everyone else should too."  Like you, she says that appreciates it after the fact, but I bet if she was asked that in the middle of the mess she would have had a different opinon.  Her hindsight is tinted by rose colored glasses so-to-speak.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2005, 05:02:55 AM »
Jim, non of the courses I took in college were remedial.  I can not fault the education that I got in K through 12.  Back in those days, college was not where you made up for what you failed to learn in grade school.  

Not to sound like I'm tootin my own horn, but I was nearly a straight A student all the way through school and was always on the Deans list in college.  Well, that does sound like bragging, but the point I'm trying to make is that I didn't attend some industrial arts school where academics were either nonexistent or secondary.  I graduated from a regular college and I don't mean to put down tech schools.

I believe that education, no matter how you acquire it is a good thing.  Even bad instructors and the occasional bad course can teach you something, even if it's only to be more discriminating in your choices.
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2005, 07:55:45 AM »
Well you have a right to be proud of your grades and record. Sounds like you had  good schools and you applied your self well. I disagree about colleges though as math and English ect should have been learned it grade and high school so you did not have to take it in College or tech school. When I went to College English was a REQUIRED course the first year wether you wanted to take it or not. Same with a math class. As far as tech schools go they are a good idea as college is not for every body. I also have to say having a college education does not exactly make every one smart. I have seen some total idiots that had college educations. ( Look at Kerry  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  ) No I mean it I have met some folks that may have been book smart but did not know enough to tie their own shoes or get out of the rain!  On the other hand I have met some folks that were college trained that were very smart but knew how to fit in also. Also I have met some folks at tech colleges that could have went to college but decided on going to a tech school as that fit their goals better. You may think I look down on colleges some what and I do as they for a lot of folks are a waste of money getting a degree that they will never use in real life and I am not impressed with the Liberal Communistic professors that spew their drivel to kids that should be learning other things than the liberal pablem these clowns spread. !!
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