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New H&R BC .45/70 Came In Defective/Case Question?
« on: April 21, 2005, 10:43:07 AM »
Man, I go out excited to pick up my new H&R BC .45/70 and it was sweet looking!! Well, until I looked at the butplate. There is 2 screws that hold it on and I nitced a gap at the top screw between the plate and butt of the stock. I asked the salesperson for a phillips screwdriver thinking it was just not screwed all the way it-wrong :(  It was totally stripped out and they have to sedn it back and get me another one. Man does that suck :x Oh well, about another week wait. On a side note, it came in, not in a box, but in  a Flambough harshell case, is this normal? The distributer said it was? Thanks-Jack.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2005, 11:26:06 AM »
Slayer sorry to here about the new gun,how did it comapre when it came to the overall weight of the gun,let see your t/c hawken's
I stop at walmart to-day thary had a Handi in 270 think it was 7 pounds ,man that gun was some piece of steel,wonder how the 32 inch barrel feels?
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2005, 11:49:35 AM »
It's hit or miss on the hardshell.  Mine didn't but some have.  They used to come in hard case but no sights, then went to no case and sights.???  Who knows?
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2005, 11:50:23 AM »
Jack, that's too bad you did that, stripped screws on butt pads/plates are an easy fix with a wooden match stick, or the hole can be drilled out, a dowel glued in and a new pilot hole drilled....I would never have let it go back for such a small defect if everything else was perfect.....Almost all of my H&R rifles have a bad screw hole on the butt pads, easy to fix...Hopefully the next one won't have a more serious defect. One of the latches on my BC gun case was broken, the clerk offered to send the whole thing back, but I elected to contact Doskosport by email myself, they sent me 3 new latches and hinge pins...FREE!
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2005, 11:59:22 AM »
The rifle weighs 8 pounds and balances perfectly!! Much better than my T/c Hawken. I didn`t think stripped srews were a normal thing, I have never had that on any other of my guns, so I didn`t know any better. Wow, it seams I got lucky with the Case and Sights in one deal, considering the other ways it use to be. Well, hopefully the next one will be better, but this one was sweet, well, except for that 1 screw. Maybe I should re-consider? I am just a little dissapointed, I may have stiffed myself on the Case on the next one, althoguh Sports South said they all come with one now. The saddest part about sending this one back is the Walnut was very sweet on it. Jack.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2005, 12:20:22 PM »
JMHO, but, if the wood was special, I think you should RUN OR CALL RIGHT BACK THERE AND TAKE DELIVERY!!!

If there was nice figure in the wood, I would have kept it and filled the screw holes as Quick suggested.  

Even if there does turn out to be a major defect, like the gun opens when fired or slings lead sideways, H&R will make it right for you.  And if it needs a new barrel or work on the lockup, it'll come back with the same wood.

Or, maybe you were just surprised to see Walnut on an NEF?  My Target is pretty straight-grained; nothing special.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2005, 12:20:55 PM »
Jack, are you sure it's not too late to go claim the BC? I'd sure try if I were you, they may not have shipped it back yet.....

All the BCs and Targets come with sights, it's the barrels in the accessory barrel program that don't come with sights...but then they're only about $135 fitted and shipped.



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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2005, 01:33:38 PM »
I can appreciate what you guys are saying and really appreciate it, and I know defects happen, but when you say many of your new NEF`s come with loose screws, that makes me a little nervous, as I have not heard that about too many manufactures, my Remingtons-Marlins and Mossbergs have all been perfect, never a problem with screws. You would thinkl that H&R would know how much pressure to apply to the buttstock screws, once it makes contact of buttplate and and stock wood. I don`t accept that as regular or acceptable practice. I am not trying to be an A-Hole, I just expect almost perfection on my guns. another thing I have noticed on NEF`s-H&R`s is tooling marks, I wonder why this is? Are their toolings in rough shape? I guess I am just a little suprised at all of these defect talk on NEF products is all. I will try the next one to see if it is better than this one. As long as it is totally functional and the screws are alright, the grain of the wood isn`t such a big deal, I like Black Walnut figured and plain :grin: Thank you-Jack.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2005, 02:21:12 PM »
It's not "loose" screws but over tightened, stripped screws. MANY, MANY, come through with stripped screws which hold on the recoil pads. I'll bet well over 50% are fouled up that way, it's just one guy with a screw gun that does not care making all this trouble for all of us. It's funny how those of us that have been around here a while and have more than a few Handi's know it is an all to common complaint/error.
H&R is a great company with wonderful customer service, it's just that one guy with an overly aggressive screw gun who doesn't care that making this whole problem!!! It's a shame someone doesn't talk to him about it, for it's obvious he does not care about the quality of his work :( ....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2005, 02:56:12 PM »
Quote from: slayer
.... my Remingtons-Marlins and Mossbergs have all been perfect, never a problem with screws..... I just expect almost perfection on my guns. another thing I have noticed on NEF`s-H&R`s is tooling marks, I wonder why this is? Are their toolings in rough shape? I guess I am just a little suprised at all of these defect talk on NEF products is all.


Jack, I'd bet your rems, Marlins and Mossys all cost more than $200, or $300 for the BC for that matter. too! I wouldn't get too picky when you're talking about a gun that costs that little. And a stripped screw hole is about as petty a reason to reject a new rifle as I can think of, specially when the stock was so nice.....sheesh!! You may very well regret that decision when the next one comes, I hope not, but bigger defects than that happen on production guns all the time, on much more expensive firearms to boot! If you're expecting perfection out of H&R firearms, you'd better be lowering your expectations, perfection comes at a much higher price. :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2005, 03:09:25 PM »
I understand the price was way too good, maybe my expectations are too high. I will take my chances on the next one, I hope I get lucky with it, if not I am the dummy with the dunce hat in the corner for returning that nice wood :lol: I agree, the Screw Gun Guy should be talked to, I would die for a job like that, some don`t appreciate a cool job like that. Jack.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2005, 03:21:08 PM »
OT, but the screwgun guy reminds me of the Dodge Durango I once owned, I belonged to the Durango Owners Club....every owner that changed their own spark plugs had to use the biggest breaker bar with a handle extension to break the plugs loose the first time they were changed...I put a 250lb, ½" drive torque wrench on mine to find out just how tight they were, they were all tightened to over 80ft/lbs torque!!! Should have been about 23ft/lbs...... We figured there was a gorilla working for DC in the Newark plant!!!! And he had a relative working in the wheel tightening section, too!!! Lots of stripped/broken wheel studs were reported at tire rotations.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2005, 03:35:23 PM »
Wow Quik!! That makes 1 little screw problem seam like nothing. I will get back to you guys after the new one arrives. Thanks-Jack.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2005, 04:32:49 PM »
Slayer, what part of town are you in?  Where do you shoot?
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2005, 06:05:26 PM »
So I guess there's nothing unusual in buying two new handis and finding one out of four recoil pad screws prestripped? I had no idea it was a common malady, as it's the only gun I ever owned with the problem.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2005, 06:11:58 PM »
They're not all stripped, but when you remove a butt pad and reinstall it, you stand a good chance of stripping at least one of the holes. In other words, they've been over tighted or the pilot holes were too big to begin with. I've swapped or replace lots of stocks, it happens a lot in the wood/laminated stocks, not the synthetics.......so far! :cry:
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2005, 10:33:29 AM »
I wish my 45-70 Handi would get here, ordered it from Wally World.......hope if anything is wrong with mine, it just a butt plate screw! Ordered a Mueller 2X7 for it from Optic Zone.............. :?
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2005, 10:44:45 AM »
Well, FWIW, I've bought 5 new complete H&R/NEF rifles and 3 complete used rifles, the only defects have been the stripped screws and a broken hard case latch in all those rifles....and the broken latch probably happened in shipping since the hard case is the shipping container.  The stripped screws are so easy to fix it's a non issue for me. :wink:
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2005, 08:45:43 AM »
I appreciate all of your help guys!! If the next gun is ok, and maybe only 1 screw is stripped, I will keep it and repair the screw, but I still think it souldn`t come that way straight from the factory. BJA105, I will email you Sir, I live in the South Hills of Pittsburgh, but I belong to Millvale Sprtmans Club in Wexford,PA. in the North Hills. Maybe we can hook and hunt and/or shoot as I am having a hard time finding people to do it anyomore and to be honest, until recently with my family and kinds being young, I haven`t either, I would like to again :-D Jack.
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2005, 10:39:55 AM »
Jason, I PM`d ya :D Jack.
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2005, 10:56:18 AM »
Slayer I was thinking  about your post and when I did handle the 45-70 from bass pro shop I did give the recoil butt plate some additional views ,it was perfect.
I went threw 5 boxes of Handi's to choose the best wood grain and overall condition at bass pro in the 06. I hope it shoots as good as it looks,only time will tell the story.I like the the Handi clean it up last night oil it,and back in the box until I get back up north in june. :D
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2005, 12:39:52 PM »
Ya, maybe I just got a bad screw on mine and the next one will be fine and maybe I will be rewarded with an awsome streeked black walnut stock :D Jack.
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