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Offline Mitch in MI

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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2005, 12:42:53 PM »
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I was able to get the 12 Gauge Ultra you saw last week! Do you know if the Ultra Slug models are built on the sb2 action or not?


The Ultra Slug barrels are built with barrel blanks from a larger gauge. 20ga uses a 12ga blank, and 12ga uses a 10ga blank. The 12ga Ultra barrel, being the size of a 10ga barrel on the outside, only fits on the larger 10ga frame. While the 10ga frame is called SB2, it is not the same frame as the SB2 rifle frame. You can have 10ga barrels fitted to your 12ga Ultra if you want.
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2005, 01:37:39 PM »
Glad to help you out Wally, That 12 gauge Ultra with the camo laminated stocks is really a great gun!!!
So it was you that got that .357 Max huh? I'm glad someone here got it, I keep kicking myself for not buying that one also (if you read my recent post about the Huntsman  :( ). I did get a new .357 barrel fitted last fall, one of, or the last one of the old run. They have since then made more and I may order one of those to have it rechambered to .35 Remington by that gunsmith that Mac just found...Well, if I ever find any more good deals I'll keep letting you guys know, and probably keep kicking myself later!!!  Well, as long as we keep them "all in the family"....<><.... :-D

P.S. - Mitch in MI gave you good info in the actions and their differences...
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2005, 02:17:29 PM »
MSP, the minimum recommended twist rate for the 35 rem as well as the 35 whelen is 1 in 17½" with optimum at 15" or 16". I mentioned the 35 whelen conversion from the 357 mag Handi to Wayne, he felt the same way I did about it, it will shoot, but it won't be accurate with the heavier bullets. I'd discuss it with him before committing to it, at least.

http://www.gsgroup.co.za/hvtech.html
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2005, 04:06:25 PM »
Thanks Quick, I like the .35 with the 150 grain pointed bullets but it really shines with the 200-250 grain bullets in the thick woods. This is something to consider....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2005, 06:52:48 PM »
:cb2:  Howdy, handi-guys,Thanks GRAYBEARD for such a great sight!!!!I have a 35 whelen RMEF and I will try to get a (hands on) twist rate check for all of you. I also have a 357 mag handi that I converted to 357max with Leftoverdj's reamer... I have shot a 5/8" 3-shot group at 100yds WITH open sights :mrgreen: ... loaded with a 180gr Hornady ssp bullet, with a magnum charge of win 296 powder.....
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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2005, 03:37:55 AM »
:D,  Hi Huntsman50, I see it's your 3rd post but welcome aboard, it seems like you came to us a full blown handiholic!!!, and helpful too!! You should fit right in!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2005, 07:06:41 PM »
:grin: Hello fellow handi-shooters, just wanted to let you know that I checked the twist rates on my RMEF 35 whelen and 357mag barrels today. The 35 whelen was (1 in 16") and the 357mag was(1 in 183/4"). The 357mag is Micro-groove on a nickel plated survivor (NK 1996)receiver. The 35 whelen (NK also) It was purchased in 1998 New and I have not fired it :eek: Yet!!!! But I plan on some extensive reload testing with it the next month or two.
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2005, 05:07:39 PM »
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The H&R twist rate I don't know, but what's the point of building a 35 Whelen that you can't shoot heavy for caliber bullets in? I can already shoot 180-200gr bullets in my 30-06. The slow twist rate of the 357 barrel kinda negates the value of rechambering it to a 35 Whelen, at least that's the way I feel about it. Now, reboring a 26" .25-06 Ultra barrel or a 23" 30-06 UltraComp barrel to .338-06 has some merit even though it would cost quite a bit more....The web site below shows a minimum twist rate of 17½" for their 200gr bullets for the Whelen and even faster twist for heavier bullets in the faster 358 mags.

http://www.gsgroup.co.za/hvtech.html


Actually I couldn't agree more, I think someone else on this thread mentions the 9.3x62, and they are dead right as well, and that is the one great advantage the 9.3x62 and the 375-06 have over the 35 Whelen, you can get heavy bullets without paying a premium for them, if you can get them then. The 9.3X62 makes most sense, it is a factory offering from Norma, and the die makers for reloading equipment generally offer it as a standard item in their metric lines. The 375 is a nice cartridge, if you dont mind custom work and custom prices. One can get a CZ550 in 9.3x62 I believe as a standard chambering. A Handi in this would be nice but not something I would want to shoot everyday. For the most part I believe it was Finn Aagard (SP?) who said "the 30-06 does everything well" summing up why the '06 remains at the top of every makers list.

Perhaps this is yet another example of the high velocity mentality that has been spawned on us by the gun media. Rather than promote the rifle for what it does best, it is sold as a souped up 30-06. When most people think of 300 grain bullets, they are thinking of the 375 H&H or heavier. Few have ever used 300 grainers at 2000-2200 fps and cannot testify to the effectiveness. The question these days is all about how far, not how effectively.
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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2005, 02:59:57 PM »
I think the .35 REM isn't worth it when you can get the same performance from a .357 MAX and simple to do. I can shoot MOA with my max at .35 rem velocitys with the same bullet with less recoil. I reload .35 Rem for a friend of mine he has a marlin 336 for it. My max out shoots it and is much more pleasent to shoot again with the same bullets. You can't go by book numbers they are published for pistol barrels not rifles, you pick up a lot out of the longer barrels. I've been getting right around 2000fps with 187gr LBTs, I've shot some 250s and they did ok but I don't really feel the need for the bigger bullet I almost knocked a doe clean off her feet with the 180 and I've been eating her ever since. 8)
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2005, 05:34:11 PM »
Bob,

It's not about performance.....

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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2005, 01:48:55 AM »
mt3030, I'm with you, I'd buy a .35 Remington barrel for my Handi in a heartbeat,
it's not all about numbers, if it were we would all be accountants!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2005, 12:49:03 PM »
Ok Ok just don't shoot me! :grin:
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2005, 02:06:37 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2005, 09:07:35 AM »
This is interesting, it's a post on the AR single shot forum ....

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I have had 3 NEF Handis in 357 Max..two were rechambers done by SSK and one is a factory chambered barrel. They are indeed handy rifles and I enjoy them much. I also had a 357 barrel rechambered to .358 Bullberry which is the full length 30-30 case necked to 35 cal and improved. I can also use 375 Win cases or 38-55 Win cases to form the round. Some call this round the 357 Herret LONG. It is a good performer from the Handi-rifle and is very accurate with 180-200gr bullets. Drops deer quite handily also. I have a 12 inch contender barrel in this chambering as well and it has given me DRT performance on about 30 deer. The nice thing about it is the versitility of using either heavy rifle bullets or light weight pistol bullets with equal accuracy. Pretty useful chambering. A rechamber to the Herret round would work nicely as well
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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2005, 02:52:50 PM »
I've been considering the 357 Herret for my next project,I already have a contender barrel in that cal. I'm not the greatest pistol shot around but I've shot several 3/4" groups at 100 yds. with it. It chrono's 2250' with the 158 gr. XTP's in the accurate load,and 2350' with the hunting load out of a super 14" barrel. It's not so bad with recoil either.  Digger
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