IRAK Bolt action 30-30 ?

[coyote trapper1928]

Hi:

  Is there any gun manufacturer that makes a bolt action 30-30  ?

Thanks,

[kombi1976]

Ditto.
It really opens up bullet choice.
The only other rifles that allow spitzer loads at the moment are single shots like the H&R/NEF or T/C.
Any clues?

[savageT]

No....I don't believe so, but Savage used to make a bolt-action in 30-30 many years back.  I've seen them for sale on the gun auction sites.  I believe there are many around today.
Jim

[oso45-70]

Coyote Trapper

Savage makes one in 30-30 Its a model 340.

[Mikey]

Remington used to make their Model 788 in 30-30.

[cma g21]

I found a Savage Model 340 .30-30 Bolt Action Rifle on Gunbroker:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=33756379

And two on Auction Arms:

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=6768959

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=6765666

[kombi1976]

The 340 on GunBroker is really nice.
What sort of scope mounts do you use for them?

[cma g21]

Most are drilled and tapped for a side mount ( but some aren't - you might want to email the seller).
   I have one in .223 that came with a mount, but I replaced it with one from B-Square because it allowed more scope options. The original has fixed rings (can't be repositioned), the B-Square has a weaver rail.

[cma g21]

Looking at the images of the one on Gunbroker, it appears to be drilled and tapped for a mount. It also has a receiver sight.

[Snowshoe]

My wife has 2 of the Savage 340 rifles. One has a side mount that holds a 1.5-4.5x32 scope, and the other has iron sights. They are good accurate rifles, but not very polished. When reloading for them, you have to watch the bullet length. Bullet like the Nosler BT are too elongated, and will not fit in the clip. My wife prefers to use Remington 125g psp bullets, and has taken lots of deer with them.

[kombi1976]

When reloading for them, you have to watch the bullet length. Bullet like the Nosler BT are too elongated, and will not fit in the clip. My wife prefers to use Remington 125g psp bullets, and has taken lots of deer with them.

So in reality if you really want to muck with serious spitzers you need to either seat the bullets really deep, risking compressed loads, or buy a H&R/NEF single shot and put up with the slower reload. :|
Has she tried some hotter loads or isn't the action up to that sort of thing?

[RaySendero]

Hi:

  Is there any gun manufacturer that makes a bolt action 30-30  ?

Thanks,

ct,

Have you considered a bolt rifle in 7.62x39?

CZ chambers one in their model 527.  A 7.62x39 has similar balistics to the 30-30 as both can carry about 1000 ft-lbs energy to 150 or so.  You won't have to deal with the 30-30 rim in a bolt action.  Plus 7.62x39 plinking ammo is 1/2 to 1/3 the price of 30-30.

[kombi1976]

Hi:

  Is there any gun manufacturer that makes a bolt action 30-30  ?

Thanks,

ct,
Have you considered a bolt rifle in 7.62x39?
CZ chambers one in their model 527.  A 7.62x39 has similar balistics to the 30-30 as both can carry about 1000 ft-lbs energy to 150 or so.  You won't have to deal with the 30-30 rim in a bolt action.  Plus 7.62x39 plinking ammo is 1/2 to 1/3 the price of 30-30.

Here we go again..... :roll:
A 30-30 has better ballistics when it uses flat-points and the '39 uses spitzers.
The 30-30 also has more power.
I'd sooner go out and buy a lever gun in 30-30 than a bolt in 7.62x39.
A '39 can't effectively use anything heavier than a 125gn bullet and there is so much more out there for the 30-30.
So ammo is cheaper.....I wouldn't use some of that ex-mil stuff as a boat anchor, let alone put it in my gun.
Sorry if I come across as a little passionate about this but I don't like the '39 as a hunting cartridge and I don't see it as a ready alternative.
Perfect for AKs and SKSs with quick follow-up shots or in short burst but not otherwise.
But that, of course, is just my opinion.
Sorry if I offended but it's just the way I feel. :|

[oso45-70]

Kombi 1976

My feelings exactly. I've got one and it sits behind the door to greet strangers in the middle of the night, It has a 20 round magazine in and is set on go ahead- If you know what i mean. But as a hunting round i would have to say no, The 30-30 is by far the better round for hunting..........Joe.........

[kombi1976]

Just one of the many things we agree on, me old chum. :mrgreen:

[Chuck White]

When I used to reload for my M-325 Stevens/Savage, I would measure the max length alowable for the magazine, then I'd shorten the case neck the appropriate amount and load 130 or 150 grain Hornady spire points!

Loaded without cutting the case length back, it was impossible to rack out a loaded cartridge!  The bullet wouldn't swing out of the chamber!

[kombi1976]

Seems to me that if you really want to play with spitzers in a 30-30 you should either get a custom built on something like a SMLE action or buy a little single shot so you can seat the bullet nice and close to the lands.
In fact, a SMLE seems like the perfect combination since its limit is 45,000 CUP suiting 30-30's low pressure, and it's also a fast cycling action with plenty of room in the mag.
What is the case head size of the 30-30 as compared to the .303 Brit?
In other words, would you have to alter the bolt face much, if at all, to re-barrel a SMLE to 30-30?
I think a 22" bull barrel would suit a SMLE 30-30 as a fast handling brush gun.

[Snowshoe]

Kombi, yes we have loaded the .30-30 up, and have no sign of preasure, up to 2800 fps using the Remington 125g psp bullet and H335 powder. For the ranges we shoot, the 2650 fps load that my wife uses works great, and it will not destroy a lot of meat. I load 150g Winchester psp power points in the iron sighted Savage. They are a little shorted bullet than a lot of 150g spitsers, and work very good in the rifle. This is my bullet of choice if I happen to use the rifle. I have loaded this bullet to 2450 fps, but see no need of going further.

[Leftoverdj]

A 30-30 has better ballistics when it uses flat-points and the '39 uses spitzers.
The 30-30 also has more power.
I'd sooner go out and buy a lever gun in 30-30 than a bolt in 7.62x39.
A '39 can't effectively use anything heavier than a 125gn bullet and there is so much more out there for the 30-30.So ammo is cheaper.....I wouldn't use some of that ex-mil stuff as a boat anchor, let alone put it in my gun.
Sorry if I come across as a little passionate about this but I don't like the '39 as a hunting cartridge and I don't see it as a ready alternative.
Perfect for AKs and SKSs with quick follow-up shots or in short burst but not otherwise.
But that, of course, is just my opinion.
Sorry if I offended but it's just the way I feel. :|

That's a pretty emphatic opinion. Too bad it's short on facts. Happens I was shooting my CZ 527 in 7.62x39 this afternoon. I was pushing 150 grain .311 Sierras about 2200 fps and getting one hole 50 yard (all I got at my home) groups. Sierra's chart says that is good for 1085 foot pounds at 200 yards. You got any .30-30 RN or FP loads that will match that?

[Ramrod]

kombi1976 is correct, the 7.62x39 will never equal the 30-30 when loaded to equal pressures. Leftoverdj's 150 grain velocity can be duplicated in a lever 30-30, with alot less pressure, and can easily be beat in a good bolt gun, and with 170 grain bullets, no less.
But I agree with the notion that the proper place to play around with hot .30-30 spitzer loads is a good single shot rifle.
kombi1976, as for your other post, the .30-30 has a smaller rim, .506 vs. .540 for the .303 Brit, but even if they were the same, why monkey around trying to shoot a lesser round through the SMLE than the good old .303?

[Leftoverdj]

That wasn't the question, Ramrod. 7.62x39 in a bolt ain't limited to .30-30 lever gun pressures and the slight advantage of the .30-30 at the muzzle is reversed downrange by the more efficient bullet design. 7.62x39 also is not limited to 125 grain bullets as was claimed.

I could have given more extreme examples. I also get 2200 fps from 159 grain cast semi spitzers and 2550 with my batch of Barnaul 123 HPs. Both of those loads will match or better the accuracy of the average lever .30-30.

It's worth noting that the original .30-30 load was a 160 RN at 1900 fps, and mighty few people claimed that was not an adequate hunting round. I ain't about to claim that the 7.62x39 is a better cartridge than the .30-30, just that it's comparable and available in some nifty little bolt actions.

[kombi1976]

I didn't talk about accuracy.
And if we want to mess around with handloads I'm sure a modern levergun wouldn't have that many problems at 50yards since that's your point of reference, leftoverdj.
200yds is also a bit optimistic for a '39, IMO, so while the energy is fine it doesn't seem incredibly relevant to me.
Alot of people would agree with me on that point whether or not you do.
Plenty of .22lrs are astoundly accurate and effective at 50yds but at 100yds......
I'm not comparing them, I'm just making a point.
Don't get me wrong, SKSs and SKs were very popular pig guns here in Oz(before they were banned!) in 7.62x39 because it was close scrub work and close followup shots were fast.
But outside 130yds with a bolt gun I'd be vary wary to hit anything of a decent size that could turn on you or make a hasty exit.
Maybe the fact that it was designed as a "people-bullet" for a "people-firearm" makes me less inclined.
I know the 30-06, 303 and 308 were too but they all deliver more thump than a '39 at far longer range. :roll:
Anyhow, you  know what I think and I'm unlikely to change my mind. :wink:
Give me H&R single shot in 30-30 anyday of the week.  :grin:
All finished.
Now, is that a lynch mob I can hear? :|  :shock:
It'd certainly account for all those flamin' torches!  :-D :mrgreen:

P.S. Ramrod, I was interested in rechambering a SMLE because 30 cal has a great range of bullets available.
That and SMLEs are cheap and plentiful.

[Slamfire]

You can't load a .30-30 very hot, the brass is too thin. Now rechambering for .30-30 AI allows hotter loading due to the better grip the brass gets on the chamber walls, but the brass doesn't last long.  :roll:

[Leftoverdj]

200yds is also a bit optimistic for a '39, IMO, so while the energy is fine it doesn't seem incredibly relevant to me.
Alot of people would agree with me on that point whether or not you do.

Why is 200 yards optimistic? Energy is sufficient. Velocity is sufficient for expansion. Trajectory is flat enough at 3" high at 100 and maybe 2" low at 200 yards. Accuracy only needs to be about 2 MOA, and I can easily beat that.

Bullet don't care what shell it came out of, and neither does the deer.

[kombi1976]

Y'know, I abhor people who speak in the third person or quote themselves but at the risk of being called a hypocrite I believe this warranted.

Anyhow, you  know what I think and I'm unlikely to change my mind.

Bullet don't care what shell it came out of, and neither does the deer.

Nope, but I do.  :?
That's my last word on the '39 for this thread.
Has anyone got anything interesting or pertinent to add about the 30-30 in a bolt gun or single shot 'cause I love to hear it.  :wink: