Author Topic: Gun collecting tragedy? (Read 1554 times)

victorcharlie · « **Reply #30 on:** June 08, 2005, 09:12:51 AM »

He must be thinking of the Iowa incident, where one of the gun turrets exploded..........

Questor · « **Reply #31 on:** June 08, 2005, 09:47:00 AM »

I read Julian Hatcher's Hatcher's Notebook and there was a chapter that explained the explosive qualities of cannister powders. He said that they are flammable, not explosive unless stored in large cannisters of 50 or more pounds. He never explained why this was so. He just gave examples of how the transportation industry tried hard to get ordinary cannister powders to blow up, but couldn't do it. He then related a case where a guy shot a 50 pound cannister of powder and it blew up. The message was that smokeless powder is dangerous when stored in bulk, such as in large containers or in powder houses on the grounds of ammo plants. He gave an example of a huge explosion at an ammo plant in the Northeastern US. The explosion was felt for many miles, and it did tremendous damage.

I wonder if any of this has changed in the 50+ years since Hatcher wrote about it.

leverfan · « **Reply #32 on:** June 08, 2005, 10:22:54 AM »

Quote from: victorcharlie

He must be thinking of the Iowa incident, where one of the gun turrets exploded..........

He was. oops :oops:

dakotashooter2 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2005, 11:37:35 AM »

They could probably legitimately confiscate 800# of powder as it is a violation of fire code but it's not a criminal offense. But I'm not sure they would have grounds for confiscation of all the weapons and ammo(but I don't know NJ law) 100k rounds divided by 500 guns is only 200 rnds per gun or if he has say 30 different calibers, 3333 rounds per caliber. not unreasonable by any means.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #34 on:** June 08, 2005, 12:10:55 PM »

That's my thinking.....the guns....not a problem......I don't have a clue if local fire ordance deals with ammo............

ricciardelli · « **Reply #35 on:** June 08, 2005, 04:24:32 PM »

Loaded ammo numbers...

A case of .22 LR has 5000 rounds.

Most factory handgun ammo comes 1000 rounds per case.

Surplus can have as much as many as 2000 rounds per case.

Two basic facts. Ammo is cheaper by the case, and it doesn't take long to reach 100K.

Questor · « **Reply #36 on:** June 08, 2005, 04:36:17 PM »

I'm with you on that one, Ricciardelli. 100,000 rounds is not that much to an enthusiast. 500 guns isn't that much either, if the person has a collector's passion.

ricciardelli · « **Reply #37 on:** June 09, 2005, 09:25:42 AM »

Oh boy...

I received an e-mail from someone telling the felons CANNOT have their gun rights retored.

Bull-dinky!

Here it is from the BATF...

"Under the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), convicted felons and certain other persons are prohibited from possessing firearms. (See 18 U.S.C. section 922(g).) The GCA provides the Secretary of the Treasury with the authority to grant relief from this disability where the Secretary determines that the person is not likely to act in a manner dangerous to the public safety. (See 18 U.S.C. section 925(c).) The Secretary delegated this authority to ATF.

Current alternatives as follows:

Persons convicted of a Federal offense may apply for a Presidential pardon. Sections 1.1 through 1.10 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 28, specify the rules governing petitions for obtaining Presidential pardons. You may contact the Pardon Attorney's Office at the U.S. Department of Justice, 500 First Street, NW., Washington, DC 20530, to inquire about the procedures for obtaining a Presidential pardon.

Persons convicted of a State offense may contact the State Attorney General's Office within the State in which they reside for information concerning any alternatives that may be available."