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Old Marlin, I need help
« on: May 23, 2005, 12:00:34 PM »
I drug this old Marlin out of my safe and decided to put a value on it for insurance purposes.  OK. I can't find a model number on it or even a caliber.  We miked the bore and found the cartridge that would chamber, but still can not find a model number on it.
Can someone give me some information of identifying old marlins?  I won’t go into all the particulars in here.  E-mail me @ doghouse95@hotmail.com if you have a way to go on this.  
This is an old octagon 32 win.  I’ve had two different gun smiths besides myself look it over and none of us are sure what model it is.  If possible I would like to be able to look it up by serial number.
Thanks for your time.
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Old Marlin, I need help
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 06:21:39 PM »
Probably a model 93. A photo would help.


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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 05:11:04 PM »
Is there a possibility thee is a tang sight on it? If so, remove it, and look underneath. Marlin marked the model on the top tang.
 If there is no marking there, then I need to know the exact markings on the barrel, just the way they're stamped. Caliber, and other info. Is it marked .32 WCF? If so, it's not a 1893, but possibly a 1888 or 1889 Marlin. Is it side eject, or top eject? Length of barrel, shape of barrel, etc.
 I know you said you didn't want to go into particulars here, but that's the way we all learn more!
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2005, 06:45:01 PM »
Ok, here we go.
side eject
side feed
full tubular magazine
20 " octagon barrel
no marking on the tang, top or bottom
serial number on the bottom of the receiver is "199518'
The top of the receiver is marked "Marlin Safety"
left side of the barrel just in front of the receiver is marked
  "Special Smokeless Steel"
on top of the barrel just in front of the rear site
  "Marlin Firearms New-Haven CT. U.S.A.
   Patented Oct 11 1887  APRIL 12 1889  August 1 1893"
On the front of the front site itself is "King Pat Aug. 1833"
The barrel mikes to 32 caliber
There is no marking on this rifle for caliber or model.
I attended Lassen College gunsmithing school and have handled and worked on guns for many years.  A good friend has made his living as a gun smith for 45 years and neither one of us can find any other markings on this rifle.
This rifle is very tight and is not rusted up.  There is some wear, but no pitting or discoloration.  All corners are crisp and it does not appear to have been refinished.
There is no saddle ring or any sigh of one ever having been on this gun.
The trigger is the best I have ever seen on a lever gun.  I haven't opened it up but I have never seen a factory lever gun with a trigger this light and crisp.
I'm going to post this and see if I can figure out how to get some pictures posted here.
Thanks for your help.  I'm not easily stumped. but this one has me stopped in my tracks.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2005, 07:16:58 PM »
Your info narrows it down a bit more, as it is either a model 1893, or 1894 Marlin, made around 1900. The caliber marking was on the top flat of the octagon barrel,  just in front of the receiver. They are very faint often, and may need a magnifying glass to be seen.
 The odd part is that both of these models had the top tang marked with a model designation after the first year of production. I've seen a few that weren't marked, but all had serial numbers indicating they were early first year guns.
 If it's a model 1894, then it would be a .32-20, but if it's a model 1893 it could be a .32-40, or .32 Win. Spl. The 1894 receiver is about 4.75" long from the front whee it meets the barrel, to the spur of the hammer (with the hammer down) The 1893 measures about 6" to the same points.
 If it's the longer 1893 action, then you can check the chamber by pulling the lever and bolt. Simply remove the lever pivot screw, and pull the lever out the bottm after opening it. Then pull the bolt straight back.
 With the bolt removed use a light to examine the chamber. If it is a model 1893 .32 Win. Spl. it will be chambered for the bottlenecked case, and you will see the step in the chamber. If it's a .32-40, then it will be chambered in that striaght walled case, with no step.
 If you get a picture, send it my way, and I'll try to help more.
 marlinguy@juno.com
 Hope this helps.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2005, 03:27:02 PM »
Just curious what it turned out to be? Any updates?
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