Author Topic: Useful grouping... (Read 742 times)

poncaguy · « **on:** June 30, 2005, 03:39:13 AM »

I think from now on, (except maybe target rifle and ground hog rifle )I'm just going to be shooting 2 shot groups to sight in my Handi's and my other deer rifles, even my Black Powder rifles. I never fire more than 2 rounds in deer hunting. I know a lot of my rifles, first 2 shots are usually touching and the 3rd is usually my group spoiler.........what da ya think? :?

iisabigone · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2005, 04:46:21 AM »

If you are just sighting in to hunt the two shot group is fine. However, if you are trying to work up a load for maximum accuracy potential the three shot or even five shot grouping would be more appropritate in my humble opinion. Group size is the only way for me to acuratly judge how consistant and accurate my load is.

myarmor · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2005, 06:03:48 AM »

Quote from: poncaguy

I think from now on, (except maybe target rifle and ground hog rifle )I'm just going to be shooting 2 shot groups to sight in my Handi's and my other deer rifles, even my Black Powder rifles. I never fire more than 2 rounds in deer hunting. I know a lot of my rifles, first 2 shots are usually touching and the 3rd is usually my group spoiler.........what da ya think? :?

Yup, 3rd one is usually the flyer in most my rifles. Especially my Handi.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2005, 06:13:48 AM »

3 Shot groups are what I shoot for all my hunting rifles, 2 are probably enough but the first one is the really important one, if it will, time after time, put the first one where you expect it, you won't ever need #2 and #3 unless you're colony shooting for varmints, then warm barrel accuracy is real important.

Tim

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2005, 06:36:35 AM »

Quote from: iisabigone

If you are just sighting in to hunt the two shot group is fine. However, if you are trying to work up a load for maximum accuracy potential the three shot or even five shot grouping would be more appropritate in my humble opinion. Group size is the only way for me to acuratly judge how consistant and accurate my load is.

If your working up any kind of load...a 5 shot group really isn't the best..it will give you a idea of what the potintial of it is...and you can work at it from there....I know this topic has been drug thru the mud on several occasions...but to get any type of a accurate velocity string...10 shots is really the bare minimum for that purpose...and there are some folks who insist even more....If your just sighting in for deer hunting...3 shots will be a better represent what your rifle will do...and that all depends on the tempreature as well.Everyone should resite their favorite loads as close to the tempreature at which you will hunt.Your point of impact will change some as the temp starts to nose dive or climb thru the roof...even Hodgdon's Extream line will be off some...If your going for strickly groups ...then 10 shot strings will tell you a-lot about how good a bedding job and how consistant your reload is...and a multitude of other things as well...like your shooting technique...I know a few guys..who only put 2 or 3 rounds thru their rifles a year...and they have done this all their lives...I've been laughed at by them for wasting sooo much time in developing loads...and nothing I can tell them would make them feel any different...even when one of them missed a buck of a lifetime last year...cause his scope got knocked off...some folks just don't care to shoot a-lot...me...I'll go shooting every chance I get...

Mac

handirifle · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2005, 07:12:45 AM »

If you hunt like I've seen some, just empty the rifle as fast as you can. :eek: That's how some of these yahoos do it. :grin:

I think they think that is hunting. I'm just glad they don't let them hunt with full auto :shock:

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2005, 07:59:41 AM »

I've always been a fan of the one shot group. Next time you go to the range, shoot the first shot at a target, and then don't shoot that target again. Do whatever you want at the range, then go home. Next time you go to the range, get out your one shot target and put another hole in it. After five or ten trips to the range, you will have a very good idea of how accurate your gun is going to be when you take a shot at game.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2005, 08:18:54 AM »

Quote from: Mitch in MI

I've always been a fan of the one shot group. Next time you go to the range, shoot the first shot at a target, and then don't shoot that target again. Do whatever you want at the range, then go home. Next time you go to the range, get out your one shot target and put another hole in it. After five or ten trips to the range, you will have a very good idea of how accurate your gun is going to be when you take a shot at game.

Yup!!! :agree: :agree: :agree:

Tim

MtJerry · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2005, 09:37:19 AM »

Quote from: Mitch in MI

I've always been a fan of the one shot group. Next time you go to the range, shoot the first shot at a target, and then don't shoot that target again. Do whatever you want at the range, then go home. Next time you go to the range, get out your one shot target and put another hole in it. After five or ten trips to the range, you will have a very good idea of how accurate your gun is going to be when you take a shot at game.

That is exactly why I a want to live someplace where I can have a range in my backyard!!!!!!!

Shoot one shot - mow grass - shoot second shot - tinker in shed - shoot third shot ... you get the picture.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2005, 09:44:47 AM »

Now that's what I call mixing business with pleasure!!!! Cept for the mowing part!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D

Tim

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:29:22 AM »

When I get in my new house I will be clearing a 100 yard range in my back yard and I'll have a 3 to 500 yard open area less than a mile away. This is also where I'll hunt deer grouse and turkey. I think I am about happy with that. :grin:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:38:43 AM »

Quote from: Badnews Bob

When I get in my new house I will be clearing a 100 yard range in my back yard and I'll have a 3 to 500 yard open area less than a mile away. This is also where I'll hunt deer grouse and turkey. I think I am about happy with that. :grin:

Bob, what's a deer grouse?

Is that sorta like a deer tick, only bigger, with feathers?

:-D :-D :-D

Tim

myarmor · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:44:09 AM »

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some folks just don't care to shoot a-lot....me...I'll go shooting every chance I get..

Same here. I think my neighbors are all pissed at me for shooting so much lately. I think I need to buy them all a box of ear plugs

Varminter · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:53:39 AM »

My neighbors can't stand it when i go out to my "back yard range". It's only about 50 yards but it's great for pistols. The closest range to my house is almost an hour away. :eek: And when you get there there is only 2 benches :eek:

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:56:44 AM »

Yup Quick and them strange critters will knock all the shingles off yer roof when they land up there. Scare the water outta when ya flush one up close. :shock: :wink:

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:58:16 AM »

I may need to edit that post.......Kinda funny thou.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2005, 11:59:56 AM »

That they do, specially when the buggers let ya walk past em, then they flush right behind ya!!! Scares more than water outa me!!!! :eek:

Tim

Longcruise · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2005, 02:05:12 PM »

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)I'm just going to be shooting 2 shot groups to sight in my Handi's and my other deer rifles,

That's probably not going to cost you a deer, but you will never be sure what your actual max PBR is because two shots just won't tell you the accuracy potential of your rifle or load!

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Next time you go to the range, shoot the first shot at a target, and then don't shoot that target again. Do whatever you want at the range, then go home. Next time you go to the range, get out your one shot target and put another hole in it. After five or ten trips to the range, you will have a very good idea of how accurate your gun is going to be when you take a shot at game.

See, Mitch has the right idea. :grin: Only problem is it takes so many days and so much gas! :-D

Here's how I'd do it. Arrive at your sight in adjustment and then post a fresh target. Fire one shot from a cool barrel just like you would be doing on a hunt. Take an identical target to the frame and post it exactly over the top of the first one and then fire another shot. Do this until you have fired 10 shots at ten targets and then peel the first nine off. The bottom target will tell you the true story of what your rifle might do in the field. Note that I said "might do.." Any one of those ten shots could have been your first shot! If the group measures 1 inch then you can pretty much count on it. If it measures 5 inches, then realize that whatever you shoot at, your shot will have a possible random scatter of five inches regardless of your skill and or field position. Only you know what your PBR willbe when you factor yourself in.

Then, there's always the cold barrel problem at the range. Take along a jug of water and pour a bit down the bore after each shot, then wipe it dry before you shoot.

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2005, 04:34:57 PM »

Quote from: Longcruise

Only problem is it takes so many days and so much gas!

Depends on where you are. It's a five minute walk to a 200yd range for me. The neighbor's youngest shoots high power and service rifle matches, and built a nice 4x8' plywood target easel 200yds from the picnic table in their backyard.

Actually, it's more like ten minutes by the time I walk out to set up the targets, chase the moron deer off the backstop berm, and hike back to the firing line. One time last Saturday, we walked out to tape over the holes in the targets and found that three deer had walked up and started grazing behind the target while we were shooting our 223s. They didn't mind us talking, but took off when Adam whistled at them. He's afraid of getting arrested for poaching if one of them ends up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm thinking of hunting them with a paintball gun to smarten them up a little.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2005, 04:55:33 PM »

well from what i've experienced my Ultra will keep a decent group up to 10 rounds (haven't shot more than that at one time) as long as im pulling my weight its all good.

Norseman112 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2005, 03:43:42 AM »

Mitch in MI Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject:

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I've always been a fan of the one shot group. Next time you go to the range, shoot the first shot at a target, and then don't shoot that target again. Do whatever you want at the range, then go home. Next time you go to the range, get out your one shot target and put another hole in it. After five or ten trips to the range, you will have a very good idea of how accurate your gun is going to be when you take a shot at game.

Mitch that is a good idea.... I am working on buying a farm and I will be able to walk to my range. I will be able to have targets up to 800 yrds easy. One shot groups I will surely try

Norse