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Offline razmuz

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« on: February 22, 2003, 04:20:44 PM »
In scanning over this forum I see a lot of trigger pull debate.  I started hunting in 1948 and for years never heard any thing about trigger pull.  I started reloading in 1968 and still never considered trigger pull an issue.  I always got  used to  whatever I had and thought nothing more about it.  Kind of like shotguns, you can adapt to any of them.  In about 1990 my know-it-all son decided he couldn"t shoot anything with over  a three pound trigger pull.  I've always thought any thing lighter than four pounds was a hazard.  With a lite trigger pull you can hit the butt of your rifle on the ground and it just might release.  I'm talking about hunting now, target shooting is another matter.  I don't want to hunt across a field from any of those gun magazine educated  bimbos with a 2.5 trigger pull.  Nothing has a worse trigger pull than a 30-30, but you notice they get the job done.

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2003, 05:40:05 PM »
For hunting I believe that a trigger should be around 4to5 lbs. some might think thats to heavy as you have mentioned and some may think that is to light. When ever possable I set my triggers for hunting at 4 1/2 lbs. and for me that is just right. I have had no accidental discharges and still shot very well, or at least kill everything I shoot at cleanly. And for hunting thats the name of that game.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2003, 03:47:17 AM »
When I was younger, I too knew nothing about the issue of trigger pull.  Later in life (not that much later) a gunsmith by the name of George Vais (the inventor and patent holder of the famous Vais Muzzle brake) told me while I was in his shop in Houston, Texas that the "secret" to good accuracy is not knowing exactly when the rifle will go off because if you do, then you have a tendency to flinch.  He said that when the gun goes off, it should be a "surprise."  Well, after having trigger jobs on several of my bolt action rifles, I can tell you that it works.  My groups were tighter.  I had, and still do, have a problem with the way that he phrased it - "surprise" because that denotes that something sounds kinda dangerous.  However, don't take the term too seriously.  It's not like the gun will go off at any time.  Additionally, if you practice with a light trigger, then you expect it - thus no more surprise.

I think that the most applicable thing about lighter triggers is that it leave you less time to "pull the rifle."  Meaning that, you may be on target, but by pulling the trigger hard, you have a tendency to pull it one way or the other.

When I started having competent gunsmiths do trigger jobs, I started with a 3 1/2" lbs.  I loved it.  Then I went down to 3 lbs.  Virtually all of my guns have 3 lb pulls.  Recently, I had a Jewell trigger installed on my Remington 700 BDL SS DM.  What a trigger! :eek:   And at $230, it should be.  The gunsmith told me it should be set at 2 lbs.  I said that was too light, so we compromised at 2 1/4 lbs.  Let me tell you - I love it.  Now I think that the 3 lbs are on the heavy side, and the 3 1/2 are just too heavy, and the out-of-the-box 4 to 6 lbs are just untolerable.

Now, would I ever go down to, say 1.5 lbs?  Maybe, but I don't think so.  Keep in mind that factory triggers, although capable of being set as low as 3 lbs or so, are safe, they should not be set any lower.  On the other hand, there are aftermarket triggers, like Jewell, that are especially set at the factory as low as 2 OUNCES!  :eek: (I.E.  ONE EIGHTH OF A POUND!!).  Yes, these are for BENCHREST SHOOTING ONLY, and I would NEVER use such a light trigger for hunting purposes - just too many factors that could cause disaster - hunting gloves and cold weather - you'd never even FEEL the trigger!

Yes, many years ago most people never even heard of the trigger pull issue.  Then again, many years ago people never even heard of anti-lock disc brakes, power windows and door locks, automatic transmission, etc.  You see, what formula car racing is to our everyday city cars is what benchrest shooting rifles it to hunting rifles.  Our cars today use some of the technology that was derived from the racing cars.  Our hunting rifles (especially the long range bean field rifles) use technology that is derived from the benchrest rifles.

Take a look at the Remington Sendero SF.  It has a true synthetic stock, stainless steel bull barrel, which is fluted, and free-floated, and recessed target crown (if i remember correctly).  In any event, this is what the benchrest rifles of the 1980s, 90s, and even today look like.  Granted, the Sendero is heavy, just like some benchrest rifles, but you can't deny that they are derived from benchrest technology.

What I'm trying to say is that change is good, or at least sometimes it's good.  I still have some concerns (and fears) about technology, but at least in this regard - rifles, I have no problem with it.  In fact, I welcome it.  :grin:

Now, if people are not comfortable with light triggers, then they should not shoot with them.  On the other hand, if other people are truly comfortable with them, and simply not "magazine" shooters, then they should not use it.  Then again, all it takes is some practice - just like with me. :wink:

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2003, 01:54:01 PM »
I gotta agree with Zachary,  once I went under 3# I never wanted to go back up.  I would think that  if a trigger job is done correctly (with a good trigger mechanism) there should be no problem with accidental discharge of a gun by impact (not to mention that we have safety's on our rifles).  No doubt short distance hunting is not much affected by heavier trigger pull in the range of a 30-30.  But anything over 200 yards or even less if shooting targets could very well be a/c of more pressure = more chance of pulling off target.  But this is just my experience.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2003, 02:59:12 PM »
I agree with the above posts but have one more thing to add.  Humans are adapatable and there are plenty of good game shots using lousy trigger pulls --especially guys using the same rifle for all their big game hunting.  Their hand, eye and muscle coordination have adapted to the gun.

I think the trouble for most people are when they get a new rifle they are not familiar with, don't practice enough, or have a bunch of rifles with wide range of trigger pulls.  To me this is horrible (just my opinion). I have all my triggers adjusted between 3-4 lbs and frankly can't tell much differnce, but I can tell a little differnce.  In this case I dry fire that particular rifle and only that rifle before going hunting.

The best way to improve with any  GIVEN trigger pull such as a 30-30 (since that is the example you used), at least in my opinion, is to dry fire it a lot.  It is amazing how good I become on the range after a few minutes of dry firing during the week.  The object is to have the trigger break, cross hairs dead center and stay dead center for a nano second AFTER the dry fired shot.  This will also tell you if you are pulling to the right or left.

 I only practice for about 2 minutes a day and this is good enough for me. I place a tack on the wall in my garage.  Its amazing how frustrating it is if you have never done it.  In about 2-3 days you will see major change as your body starts to adjust and frequency of when the cross hairs line up, trigger breaks.  Instead of 1 outof 10 times it becomes 5 out of 10 time and gets better from there.  By two weeks I am up to around 8 out of 10 and sometimes 10 for 10. And of course i am not talking about bench shooting.

I want to make it clear I am not telling anyone who to shoot or am I saying i am a good shot. Just telling you what works for me especially with a rifle with a lousy trigger pull of which I have had a few during my life.  In any case I do not consider it a major handi cap.