Author Topic: Help Needed!!!!! (Read 1217 times)

S.B. · « **on:** September 05, 2005, 08:31:25 AM »

New Omega, 100 gr. of loose pack Pyrodex(measured with a black powder tube measurer), 295 gr. Power Belt bullets, CCI shotgun primers. Shots went all over the place, I've seen shotgun slug, in a smooth bore do a lot better than this. I've worked up loads in a multitude of guns but, never seen anything like this. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

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AndyHass · « **Reply #1 on:** September 05, 2005, 12:29:38 PM »

You're only trying one load. My Omega will shoot some loads sub-1" and others 8". 100gr is too high as a starting load. If you try it and it doesn't work, drop to 75 and work your way up. If you feel 75 is not enough power, you have to switch bullets.
A FEW times a higher load will actually shoot better with a bullet...so you could try that. There is not necessarily anything wrong with your gun; it could just be picky, as many are.

S.B. · « **Reply #2 on:** September 05, 2005, 02:30:04 PM »

I had a spread of over 11"!

RCL · « **Reply #3 on:** September 05, 2005, 03:00:01 PM »

I had a similar problem with Powerbelts and my Omega, although I could get to 110 grains before the groups blew up. At 100 grains I would get a flyer every third or forth shot.
Try 90 grains or switch projectiles. I went to a green sabot and .44 Mag bullet and it solved all my problems.
The load for both was 100 grains of loose Pyrodex and Winchester 209 primers.

S.B. · « **Reply #4 on:** September 05, 2005, 03:24:58 PM »

Let me ask you guys this, are you weighing your charges or measuring them in a tube measure? Seems to be a wide variance between these methods?

Keith Lewis · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2005, 05:42:47 PM »

I weigh mine but only after I have made a series of volume measurements to determine an average to weigh to. Trying to just start with a weight of Black Powder or synthetic is definately WRONG!!

John K · « **Reply #6 on:** September 07, 2005, 02:59:42 AM »

This may be a stuipd question, but have you checked all the screws that hold your scope onto your rifle? How old is your scope? Is it still working properly? When any rifle I am shooting fails to group these are questions I ask myself.

John K

Keith Lewis · « **Reply #7 on:** September 07, 2005, 06:04:23 AM »

I agree on checking the scope and mounts. Especially if they are aluminum rings or not set up tight. I find that the muzzleloaders are rough on scope mounts and only use steel mounts and rings and I locktite all the screws on both the mount and rings.

S.B. · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2005, 11:43:37 AM »

Quote from: John K

This may be a stuipd question, but have you checked all the screws that hold your scope onto your rifle? How old is your scope? Is it still working properly? When any rifle I am shooting fails to group these are questions I ask myself.

John K

Yes I have and all are tight.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 07, 2005, 02:26:45 PM »

Try different loads and bullets and sabots. If you still have a problem look at your scope and see if it is OK.

S.B. · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2005, 06:18:12 AM »

Quote from: Keith Lewis

I agree on checking the scope and mounts. Especially if they are aluminum rings or not set up tight. I find that the muzzleloaders are rough on scope mounts and only use steel mounts and rings and I locktite all the screws on both the mount and rings.

Keith, Everythng is tight on the muzzle loader. I use a Weigands alluminum base on my S&W 629 Classic .44 magnum and have had no problems keeping zero? If time and weather ever permit, I'm going to try dropping the lpowder charge some to see if that makes a difference?

coop2564 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 26, 2005, 09:37:43 AM »

I had same problem using PB's. Try a sabot and I think the problem will go away.

toecutter · « **Reply #12 on:** September 26, 2005, 01:48:56 PM »

I had the same results with my encore!!, not even close to acceptable. I tried every load possible and still nothing. I tried some other brands and all gave considerably better accuracy, but not the tack driving results that I had heard of. Insert 240 gr. t/c xtp's, and all my dreams came true (except for the ease of loading part). They shoot like a dream, expand very reliably and are pretty cheap. Two of the recovered ones retained 85 and 86 percent of their weight and looked like perfect flowers. If they would just load easier, all would be perfect. Good luck

Spit · « **Reply #13 on:** September 26, 2005, 02:02:51 PM »

Try a KNOWN accurate scope before you waste any more time or money. Or you might try the same load at 50 yards using the iron sights.
Sounds like a scope prob to me....no one makes a gun that shoots that bad.

Good luck

S.B. · « **Reply #14 on:** September 26, 2005, 04:14:22 PM »

Spit, other poster have said they experienced the same kind of problem as I have. Are you suggesting that we are all fabricating a story or are in some plot to discredit Power Belt bullets? Believe me, that's not the case. I've got a Burris 3x9 fullfield, that has worked flawlessly on a 7mm mag before going on this guns?

Spit · « **Reply #15 on:** September 27, 2005, 06:26:22 PM »

Quote from: S.B.

Spit, other poster have said they experienced the same kind of problem as I have. Are you suggesting that we are all fabricating a story or are in some plot to discredit Power Belt bullets? Believe me, that's not the case. I've got a Burris 3x9 fullfield, that has worked flawlessly on a 7mm mag before going on this guns?

No, :shock: not suggesting that at all,S.B... I have as much intrest in Powerbelts as the next guy. I'm just sharing from personal experience--trying to save you some spare change. You didn't mention the scope so how was I to know....relax :wink:

Greenhunter · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2005, 12:09:20 PM »

I'm not much of a fan of powerbelts ever since I loaded one and tipped the bore down and the bullet came off the rear sabot/patch and fell on the ground. I prefer Nosler sabots (black) with 250 gr. Nosler .45 cal bullets. You can also use the Barnes MZ Bullets which are very accurate and very devastating on deer. Try different powder weights until you get the best group size you you possibly can with the bullet you are using. Your rifle will shoot once you get the right combination down. It's really fun to work up your load in a smokepole.

Greenhunter · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2005, 12:16:03 PM »

You don't need to weigh the charges in a muzzleloader, volume measurement has been and still is a very acceptable way to measure out your charge. If you set your volume measure for 75 or 80 grains and move up from there, you will find your accurate charge weight rather quickly, providing you shoot 3 shot groups from each.

daddywpb · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:08:07 PM »

My Omega shoots much better with Pyrodex pellets than it does with Pyrodex powder. I use two 50/50 pellets and a 295 gr Powerbelt. Groups at 50 yards are one ragged hole. The brand of 209 primer doesn't seem to make any difference.

S.B. · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:57:55 PM »

Sorry, haven't had much time to play with this thing. Did 13 hrs. in a sump pit for a local land fill operation, today. Afraid I might have to abandon this project till next season and stay with the cast lead bullet untill I have time to figure this out?

elkstalkr · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2005, 04:01:56 AM »

I had the same PB problem with my Omega. BUT I finally found an acceptable load.

348 grain PB with 90 grains of loose pyrodex shoot wonderfully at 100 yards.

The Omegas seem to like the heavier PB's

poncaguy · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2005, 11:57:27 AM »

All I shoot are 348 Powerbelts in my Omega and Pursuit LT.