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The Term, "Ogive"
« on: July 03, 2005, 03:57:05 AM »
This is just a matter of curiousity, but could someone tell me the correct pronounciation of it & the origin if the word that describes the curved portion of a bullet's nose? (at least as I understand it). I'd really like to know........& thanx, jd45
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2005, 04:01:50 AM »
As far as I know, it is:

O (as in Oh)
JIVE (as in rhymes with "alive")

That is how I have heard it pronounced and how I pronounce it...BCB

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2005, 06:38:16 AM »
I can't speak to origins, but Oh-Jive is the way I have understood it to be pronounced.

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2005, 07:31:30 AM »
As in " Jive-a** m-f'r"? (grin) Just kidding, ....thanx, you guys, jd45.

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Re: The Term, "Ogive"
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2005, 03:52:12 PM »
Quote from: jd45
This is just a matter of curiousity, but could someone tell me the correct pronounciation of it & the origin if the word that describes the curved portion of a bullet's nose? (at least as I understand it). I'd really like to know........& thanx, jd45
P. S.........Happy 4th of July


Start first with the word OGEE (see below) and then to the specific occurances of the ogee curve in the ogive.  (A common term when dealing with transitions from one surface to another with two  curves that smooth the transition from one surface to the diagonal to the other surface as in sheetmetal work or castings or wrought iron work.  

Pronunciations given were CORRECT.

Here are a few definitions from the dictionaries on line:


http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ogee
Main Entry: ogee javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ogee0001.wav=ogee')javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ogee0001.wav=ogee')
Variant(s): also OG javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ogee0001.wav=OG')javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ogee0001.wav=OG')/'O-"jE/
Function: noun
Etymology: obsolete English ogee ogive; from the use of such moldings in ogives
1 : a molding with an S-shaped profile
2 : a pointed arch having on each side a reversed curve near the apex -- see ARCH illustration



http://54.1911encyclopedia.org/O/OG/OGIVE.htm
OGIVE (a French term, of which the origin is obscure; auge, trough, from Lat. augere, to increase, and an Arabic astrological word for the " highest point." have been suggested as derivations), a term applied in architecture to the diagonal ribs of a vault. In France'the name is generally given to the pointed arch, which has resulted in its acceptance as a title for Gothic architecture, there often called " le style ogival."

http://www.wordsmyth.net/live/home.php?script=search&matchent=ogive&matchtype=exact
Pronunciation
o jaiv
o jaiv Definition 1. the diagonal rib of a Gothic vault. Definition 2. a pointed, usu. Gothic arch. Definition 3. the curved nose of a projectile such as a bullet, rocket, or missile.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ogive
Main Entry: ogive
Pronunciation: 'O-"jIv
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English oggif stone comprising an arch, from Middle French augive diagonal arch
1 a : a diagonal arch or rib across a Gothic vault b : a pointed arch
2 : a graph of a distribution function or a cumulative frequency distribution
3 : OGEE 1

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=ogive
Ogive
O"give (?), n. [F. ogive, OF. augive a pointed arch, LL. augiva a double arch of two at right angles.] (Arch.) The arch or rib which crosses a Gothic vault diagonally.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2005, 04:41:56 AM »
you guys are getting way to technical fer most of us people..
Fer all us untechnical people it originated from westrn terminlolgy extrapolated from the song... OGIVE me a home where the buffalo rome and for no real reason at all applied to the curvy part of the bullet. :)

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2005, 12:08:42 PM »
Quote from: WD45
you guys are getting way to technical fer most of us people..
Fer all us untechnical people it originated from westrn terminlolgy extrapolated from the song... OGIVE me a home where the buffalo rome and for no real reason at all applied to the curvy part of the bullet. :)



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