Author Topic: 44mag to a 445 super mag or 444 marlin (Read 817 times)

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **on:** August 06, 2005, 03:23:01 PM »

Just picked up a new 44 mag plain stocks have sone camo lams to add.
My delema I have NO 44 mag loading supplys belive it or not my 45 colt does as much. I have all the loading gear for a 444 but nothing for a 44 or 445. If I ream it to 444 (gunsmith will have to do this one) i will not need anything will i need a new extractor ??. ream t0 445 I will need it all. there is a 445 reamer floating around here somewhere maybe I could rent it & do it myself.

Don't know what DIRECTION TO GO??? :shock:

Please help a lost sole.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2005, 03:33:25 PM »

It's real easy, loose all the .44 stuff and stick with the 45-70!!!! :-D :-D :-D Works for me!!! :wink: No offense meant to the .44 shooters.

Tim

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2005, 03:51:23 PM »

Sorry already have a 4570 as the name says just have a new one to try

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2005, 03:54:44 PM »

I know, that's why I made that recommendation!! :grin:

Tim

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2005, 04:22:39 PM »

So...why not just pick up some 44 special/44mag stuff and load it up and enjoy it as it is...? Nothing wrong with it...is there...and afterall ifin your wanting more bang...you got your 45-70 correct...

Mac

hellacatcher · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2005, 04:57:13 PM »

buy the dies

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2005, 05:28:24 PM »

Yey your prob right just start with the 44 & move on if i want at a later date. Just a 44mag seems so plain

that should work someone up :grin:
If they made a 45 colt not45/410 but a dedicated 45colt there would be no need for the 44 mag in my case anyhow

Just looking for something not so common :roll:

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2005, 03:15:38 AM »

ONEHOLE 45/70 ---You sure got this right !!!!!!!!

If they made a 45 colt not45/410 but a dedicated 45colt there would be no need for the 44 mag in my case anyhow

safetysheriff · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2005, 04:16:08 AM »

one hole'

it seems to me that some of us haven't studied the ballistic results available with some of the .44 mag' loads. if j.d. jones has gotten nearly 1400 fps' with a 320 gr' hard-cast lead bullet out of a 7 1/2" revolver safely, then i think the .44 is misunderstood by those who play down its abilities.

i'd get some good jacketed or gas-checked hard-cast bullets for your barrel and load them as .44 mag's --- keeping in mind that today's manuals understate the design parameters of the .44 mag'. it was originally designed for a maximum product average chamber pressure of 43,500 cup. (the .357 mag' was designed for 46,000 cup originally!). if you get some 'weight-forward' bullets, like j.d.jones and randy garrett have produced (and others), you'll have more of the bullets weight moved into the nose of the projectile outside of the brass case. this leaves you more room in the cartridge for powder....and the ballistics are greatly improved with the heavier bullets.

i'd start with 240 gr' hornady xtp's or 270 gr' speer gold dots and see what you get. then try a cast bullet with a gas check like i described above and get ready for even more velocity...... and, tell us how well you've done with it all, please.

good luck,

ss'

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2005, 07:04:25 AM »

My rifle will do 1636 fps with 300 gr. XTP's in 44 mag.and the 445 will do 1977 fps with the same bullet.My Speer maunel shows a load for a 300 gr.bullet doing 2200 fps. in the 444. With the 445 you can still shoot 44 mag and 44 sp. . I like my 445 because you can let the smaller people shoot the 44 mag,and when they grow more let them shoot the 445. Hope this helps. Digger

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2005, 02:44:38 PM »

Ditch,
Thats kind of what I had in mind but I get 2150 with a 330 cast out of my 18 in marlin just curious what the diff would be but I will prob keep it as a 44 mag & ream in in due time to a 445
Do you need different dies for the 445 or will the 44mags work I havent bought any yet so if 445 dies are needed I will get them. They can load 44spl, 44mag & 445 right??

Thanks for the info digger

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2005, 04:42:41 PM »

One Hole; The 44 mag dies work on all of them except the 444. The reamer is easy to use and in 2 to 3 minutes and lots of cutting oil ,you have a 445 supermag. You don't even have to remove the ejector for this. Digger

warf73 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2005, 07:56:08 PM »

Dang the bad luck. H&R are out of 44mag barrels

Warf

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2005, 01:20:10 AM »

Digger you sold me I guess I'll have to do it, who did you get the reamer from not in a hurry just lookin to get a heads up

Thanks

jeff223 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2005, 06:23:28 AM »

ONE HOLE 45-70,
are you interested in buying a reamer or just renting one?i was going to head a 445sm reamer deal but i havnt went with it yet.i was going to buy a reamer then rent it out to forum members like leftoverdj did with his 357max reamer.i have a 14 inch 44mag contender barrel that i want to rechamber to either 445sm or 444 marlin.i kind of had my mind made up on the 445sm but now i am thinking more in the lines of the 444 for this barrel.the 445sm can be done right at home but the 444 should be done by a smith.im still thinking about this my self and will go one way or the other very soon.

there seems to be interest in the 445sm rechamber here and i think it will pay for the reamer in no time.if you want to head a reamer deal for barrel rechambers that would be fine with me.you can put me down as the first on the list.let me know what you think about the chamber reamer.i think with a $15.00 or $20.00 rental fee plus return shipping the guys will go with it.

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #15 on:** August 08, 2005, 11:20:06 AM »

One Hole I rented mine from reamerentals.com,but there's lots of people that are interested in buying one and passing it around. I use the 240 Rem bullet( its the same as loaded in factory 444) and with a near max. load of 296 it goes over 2100 fps. It's quite a potent cartridge. Digger

Varminter · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2005, 11:23:57 AM »

I'm definately up for the reamer....anytime ya'll are ready just give me a holler. :wink:

JPH45 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 08, 2005, 12:03:54 PM »

OneHole, Have you tried the 44 Mag as is? Not sure how to say this well, but it strikes me that you seem uninterested in the 44 and may have prejudged what it is and how it performs.

You are right, the 45 Colt and 44 Mag are essentially ballistic twins, but the 44 is an altogether different animal from a rifle barrel. I'm with Mac, get some dies (you'll need them if you do the 445 SM anyway) and play with the 44 as is for a while. It just may show you a few things you forgot you knew. :grin:

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 08, 2005, 12:42:08 PM »

I plan on shooting the 44 mag as is but will ream it as well in time bigger is better :lol: & you can still shoot 44 mag & special if ya want so why not have the best of all worlds :-D

I think we shoul go ahead & look into the reamer I havee no idea of cost or what else is needed

Jeff223 pm me with some details & maybe we can contact those who would like to get in on it. Seems some things fall apart after they get started on forums so lets see if we can get some commitment priceng of a complete package etc. I really don't know where to look into it I was just thinking of renting