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Offline subfan

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Why is the j-lock bad?
« on: October 29, 2004, 01:05:22 PM »
Being new to the j-lock thing, I see it is not well liked.  Why is this?  Does it hinder performance?  If so, what can be done to fix it?
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2004, 04:32:55 AM »
Another lawyer feature. Basically a solution for a problem that does not exist. Same as the Smith & Wesson revolver lock. Smith had been building revolvers for decades with no locks. Remington has been doing the same with rifles. Everything was fine - generations of hunters , target shooters and law enforcement never seemed to complain about the need for a lock on a firearm.

Some will argue these locks will save lives. And in some states it may be a mandatory feature these days. The law makers that mandate such legislation probably do not own guns , have never fired guns and have no idea about basic gun safety.  For my own use they have no value. I bought a new Remington a few months ago - it is a 700P and has NO lock which is the way I prefer.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2004, 04:36:53 AM »
It's more complicated than without and just one more thing to get lost (key).
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2004, 11:25:30 AM »
The first Remington I bought with the J lock was a 12 gauge field 1100 in 2000. I have several thousand rounds thru the gun with no problems, it is my primary skeet gun. Since then I have bought a 20 gauge and a 28 gauge 1100 Sporting, a 410 field, a 20 gauge 1100 youth, two 7600 rifles and a 576 .22, all with the lock. Zero problems. But my nephew did have a problem with his 870 with the lock, he LEFT THE KEY HOME and went to the range. I did not have a key and we asked 30-50 people but no one had a key. I agree that is a solution waiting for a problem but if you unlock it and leave it unlocked you will have no problems. MIKE.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2004, 12:16:22 PM »
Unless one of your buddies plays a practical joke on you and locks your trigger when you did not bring your key with you.  The problem is anyone with a generic key can lock and unlock it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2004, 12:30:10 PM »
Uhh...I'd like to know that trick. The opening seems awful small for an ordinary key. But my 3 year old Model 700 has a J-Lock on it. I like it because I figure unless the person who steals it has a j-lock key (which would be pretty rare)...they're screwed b/c they have a useless gun. Not only that...but if someone tries to use it against you...they can't b/c the bolt's locked. Makes sense to me and I feel alot better w/ it on there (I actually tried to see if I could get a new trigger assembly for my 870 Wingmaster w/ a j-lock in the saftey). Didn't get a definite answer on that...gonna have to try again. Take care.  :D
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2004, 10:01:52 AM »
Take the bolt apart and you'll see what the problem is. The spring is now wadded up inside the bolt body, and rubs on it when you fire the rifle. Not a big deal for a hunting rifle, but one that has been gone through and accurized will benefit from going back to the older design.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2004, 05:01:04 PM »
Locks would be best offered as an option!

Would allow those that value them to pay for them.

Would not add to price for those that see no value in them!
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 08:04:38 AM »
The j-lock is easily replaced.  Just order a firing pin assembly from Brownell's or Remington and have a gunsmith replace it.  It requires a special tool to disassemble the bolt.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 12:32:01 PM »
I see both sides...It would be nice say if someone tried to steal it, but I do also think it should be an option...
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No ISS on 700CDL
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2005, 04:09:23 PM »
I just purchased a 700CDL in 300 Win. Mag., BRAND NEW in the box (the store ordered it) and it did not have the ISS safety.  Can anyone tell me if it is because it is a mag, or it is just old enough to not have one? When did they start putting the ISS on these rifles?
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2005, 04:33:15 PM »
I have heard that on the latest models, Remington has decided to drop the J-Lock as of 2005. This goes for the SPS, XCR, etc. However, Remington's law enforcement line (http://www.remingtonle.com)  of guns has never had the J-Lock. This was one reason I purchased a Remington 700 LTR .308 for deer hunting.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2005, 04:23:23 PM »
I thought I saw that on their new XCR rifle :?
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2005, 04:35:37 AM »
My latest Remington rifle, a CDL, had the lock. I don't use it. Not having the key is not a problem.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2005, 08:39:59 AM »
I have several rifles with the J locks. And several without. I can't tell any difference in function nor accuracy between the two.  I can see where it might be an advantage if one had small children in the house.

I just put one of the little key thingies on the ring with my car keys and forgot about the whole thing.
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2005, 05:27:41 PM »
I can't believe I'm the only person here, or elsewhere, that has a problem with Remington's J-lock or Smith's integral lock.  It's just a play to the anti's and politicians to win favor.  There was never a mandate forcing firearms makers to further impose regulations or gimmickery on their customers, this was a voluntary move by two industry giants.  I just don't get it.  I didn't get it when Winchester put the safety on their leverguns either.  I refuse to have things such as this forced upon me, voluntarily by a manufacturer.

It's not just the big Green either, it's Smith & Wesson, Winchester with their safeties on leverguns and Marlin with their crossbolt safety.  I simply refuse to lay down and approve of this through purchasing this further restriction upon gunowners.  Next, will it be a computer chip that logs each shot taken, a tracking device, "smart" safeties, fingerprint only firing?  Sorry, but the lock isn't needed.  It's just a blatant passive political move to please those that want to further restrict gun ownership.

If you need a lock on your gun, there are plenty out there that will fit it.  Best yet, EDUCATE your children about firearms.  The way some of these posts read, you are willing to allow a mechanical device replace your responsibility as parents to educate your child.  Instead of taking responsibility we are willing to hand that off and put the onus on the manufacturer to save ourself or children from ourselves?  Sounds like the DNC party line...
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2005, 03:52:03 PM »
Yukon Jack, I don't agree with any lock on any firearm, but you hit the nail on the head with the dnc party line (leftist liberal loser). Many new firearms, especially handguns have integral locks on them. Have you looked at the new Ruger handguns and all of their new "features" , such as the integral lock and loaded chamber indicator? It may be a sign of the times, since some of these "features" are required to be able to sell these firearms in some states. It's nothing more than complete liberal BS, but the manufacturers are almost forced to add this junk to be able to sell any firearms at all. You are correct about the dnc line too, since the states with the most restrictions have democRATS in control. One good thing, Remington dropped the J-lock for 2005. MI VHNTR
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