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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2003, 06:27:45 AM »
A man from S&W called this morning.
He said as far as the Bush adminastraion was concerned it's a dead topic.
They don't want the publicity right now. The agreement was never put in force and no money is being paid to anyone. They would like to have it officially voied but the Bush adm. just doesn't want the news hype that would follow from left wing press at this time.
I can understand this, you saw what happened when Ashcroft announced the 2nd Amendment ment just what it said. With all the other things that are going on they just won't get into this subject at this time.
   The people who signed this agreement are all gone, and S&W is trying to put that dark chapter behind them and move on.
    Again I personally feel, instead of trying to put the oldest hand gun maker in the U.S. out of business, we should concentrate on getting the damn democraps out of office.
     BTW I put my order in today for an 500 S&W. If I break my wrist, well it's my wrist. :grin:
And remember Bill Ruger stood up in congress and said we didn't need 15 or 30 round magazines just to save HIS mini-14 from the banned list.
Colt doesn't have such a good record either, with anti-gun nuts running the Co. Anyway lets all go to the range and shoot our favorite gun now and I bet we'll all feel better! :grin:

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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2003, 06:57:20 AM »
As I said, the agreement is just as alive today as it ever was. When the next democrap goes into the White House it will be dusted off and put into effect. If S&W doesn't care enough about that to formerly ask for it to be voided they shouldn't try to place the blame on the Bush Administration. It isn't up to Bush to ask for an end of it but to S&W to ask for the end of it.

While I'm certainly no fan of Ruger guns or Bill Ruger himself in all fairness to the company it wasn't them but Bill who made all the noise. He is NOT the company and is now dead and gone and certainly not missed by me. I don't personally blame the company he founded for his mouth and the foul stuff that spewed from it. Colt is for all pratical purposes already dead. They are but a shell of the former company and make few guns for sale to the public anymore. They chose this path themselves it wasn't forced on them.

Prior to the agreement there was no stronger voice in advocacy of S&W than me. Now I'll never again own a new one unless and until they take action to void the agreement. Right now with Bush in office it can be done. When he leaves and is replaced by a democrap which will almost certainly happen it will be too late for S&W to ask for the agreement to be ended. It will then be brought back out and used against them and all gun owners to the maximum possible extent by the democraps.

It is still a free (more or less) country for now. Won't stay that way many more years however because the democraps are working hard and fast to take away all our rights and even to do away with the US Constitution entirely and replace it with UN law. Like Bush has told the world in the fight against the terrorist, you are either with us or against us. The same holds true in the battle that is going on right now to save the US Constitution, a battle pitting the antis, the democraps and all the liberals on one side and gun owners trying to save it for all of America on the other side. You are either with us or against us. Right now S&W is against us. If you wish to aid and abet the enenmy that is your choice. I sure don't wanna hear your crying and gnashing of teeth when they come to take away your guns and the rest of your freedoms and rights because you helped support and give comfort to the enemies of the US Constitution.

Nuff said.

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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2003, 05:55:51 AM »
Well the agreement was never emplemented in the first place because it wasn't enforcable, I don't think it ever will be.
As for Bill Ruger , he was Ruger and they did what he said to do. What affect has that agreement had on us? none. Ruger got high capacity mags. banned just to save his mini-14 from the banned list. He didn't make the high capacity mags. , they were after market products hurting his sales.
Shwartz is no longer with S&W, they even have a new owner. American I might add. So why blame the people at S&W.
If they did try to enforce the agreement, S&W would be out of business period. The antis win.
It should not be our goal to put a firearms maker (one of the finest and oldest) out of business, thats the anti's goal. If S&W goes out of business for whatever reason ours or the anti's, the anti's win.
S&W has come out with so many new and interesting guns in the last few years, no one can match them, not Ruger, Taurus, Colt, Glock or anyone else, and you want to put them out of business? I don't think so! Nuff Said.

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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2003, 05:56:50 AM »
Jerry:  I have to agree with the GreyBeard on this one, and strongly.  Although I have researched the Hud/S&W agreement and (personally) do not think it still stands, there are plenty of left wing idjits who will argue that it does and continue to pursue American civilian disarmament.  I can understand Bush's desire not to stroke any more protests from the left at this time but before Bush either leaves the White House or attempts a 2nd term, that agreement should be struck as null and void by the administration.  That is the only way it will ever disappear.

One of the posters mentioned that in the buy-out, the new owners purchased all the rights to the S&W name, but also got stuck with the agreement and in that regard it still stands, whether this administration has chosen to pursue it or not.  I would like nothing more than to see this agreement declared null by the administration and have that albatross off the necks of law abiding citizens and the Police who would also be subject to the lesser quality product called for under the agreement.  

I am so tired of listening to the demicraps trying to enact laws or regulations that, in effect,  control people.  I am tired of their bitching that the Constitution isn't adequate to cover every single unforeseeable instance one can imagine and that it should be amended to do so.  

I abhor the notion of a 'Constitutional Convention' and feel that if the demicraps ever hold one, the gun owners of America should show up, armed and in force, to disband that convention and perserve the Constitution.  It is within our rights to do so and we should exercise that right.  You might notice that they would never publically announce the date, time and location of such a 'convening', but we could easily find out and I think it would be our Constitutional responsibility to take up our arms in its defense.  

I think we should also move to require any ideas about Constitutional changes to be subject to a 'plain language useage' and a grass roots vote across the nation.  I firmly believe, that with the intent of the left-wingers fully exposed through the 'plain language useage' requirement and the impact of those proposed changes also made known in plain language, that any such changes which would effect greater constraints upon our Constitutional rights will meet such public resistance as to be roundly defeated.

While it is true that we cannot control the actions of either the media or zealots, we can always hold them more accountable, publically.  Media that simply allows editorial opinions, which if taken later could result in harm or injury to a citizen, should be held accountable for its actions and statements.  Zealots who express similar opinions should also be held accountable for their actions if the result is untoward.  Those who say - this is the law I wanted and although I am sorry that such a terrible trajedy happened to this one person (or group of people) because this was not the intent of this law - should be held accountable for the actions they have caused.  Do you remember the racist politican from Georgia who stated that Bush was in league with the Al-Quida, and yada, yada, yada?????  They just let that racist idjits spew their racial hatred.  Why didn't anyone challenge them in court, or at least file some sort of suit and hold them publically accountable for their statements.  Zealots, idjits, teachers and demicraps hate the words 'accountability and responsibility'.  They feel those words can be as easily trodden upon as they want to do with the Constitution.  They cannot tolerate being held publically accountable for their actions or words and this is exactly what needs be done with those people.  The more often they are brought to light, the more often they, like the social diseases they are, will wither and fail.  And again, if they pose a threat to the Constitution, get your danged gun and drive them out.  

For every word in that previous paragraph there are at least 10 people who review these messages who would vehemently disagree.  But friend, if this happens just once, whether it is successful or not, it will send the most chilling message ever to the liberals.  The message is:  Yes, this is a free country and you do have the right to free speech but, if in your exercise of that right your actions or proposals bring or cause harm or injury to any other citizen, whether directly or indirectly, you will be held accountable.  

You know, they take us to task at every turn and we sit on our asses and just bitch about it.  Lawsuits are cheap to file and immediately place the onus for innocence on those subject to the suit.  The media is comprised of the type of person who spent the early part of their formative years growing up in a wicker basket and often become dog thieves, muggers, insurance salemen or newspaper reporters and they will flock to an issue of a suit against a local politician like Danny Davis in Chicago for his comments on the S&W 500, like flies to a carcass.  Why in God's creation we don't stick it to them like they try and stick it to us is inconceivable.  We should be smacking them around every single time they open their mouths.  These people are 'paid' public servants and should be held accountable for their words and actions.

Maybe if we start taking more action they will understand that we aren't just going to sit on our butts to let them do the talking for us - they don't represent us, they represent their own concerns, not ours, and as such, I don't want them speaking for me.  That would be like taking hillary's perspective on sex, and you should know by now what hypocrisy that is.  

Sorry, didn't mean to spout.  Mikey.

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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2003, 06:28:45 AM »
I have been following this post and I would have to agree that most people here are truly outstanding, helpful and giving individuals.  You can feel free to prove my point by sending any and all barrels you can for a Encore.  Thanks. :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2003, 08:10:22 AM »
Jamie, I've packed up every Encore barrel I had in my house and have them on the way to you as I type this via the big brown truck. Please go outside and wait until it arrives.  :-D  It'll be there soon, ya know it will. Trust me.  :lol:

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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2003, 09:15:53 AM »
Mikey,
I agree with you, I would love for the Bush admin. to come out and officially null and void the agreement, so would the people at S&W, but they were told Bush didn't want the publicity at this time. Hopfully he will win a second term and it will get done then.
The fact is it's not in efect now, and I'am not going to let Klinton and his democomies keep me from purchasing a firearm that I want, wether  I need it or not. The way I see it, if I do that, they win.
I learned in the Marine Corp, there are two words not in our vocabulary: Can't and Quit. Once a Marine always a Marine. Semper Fi.
As I've stated before I've fought this fight for over thirty years and I will continue to fight it. I refuse to let these socialist commie basdards dictate what I can buy, which is what we are doing if we boycott the present owners of S&W.
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2003, 10:12:59 AM »
Thanks GB, I'm on it.
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2003, 10:51:17 AM »
Ok, seriously.  I agree with GB and the others about S&W not only cutting their throats but ours as well.  The reason for the 500 Mag is to claim the bigger better mouse trap.  One part of me hopes it not enough.  Then the other part of me wants them to succeed because if they fold then it won't be the ones that signed the agreement or ones that run the company that will loose.  No, it will be the person whose trying to make a living and provide for his/her family.
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2003, 11:43:54 AM »
RIGHT ON GRAYBEARD!!!!!!!!!!!! :noway: with smith

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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2003, 12:13:26 PM »
Well with all you quiters the Klintonites have won.
You're doing exactly what they wanted, drive a major firearm manufacturer out of business!
They don't even need a stupid agreement! The people who agreed to the damn thing are NOT! there anylonger! DUH.
We should be writing and calling our senators and reps demanding that they void the agreement . The commies are LTA'SO because people like you are accomplishing their goal without the agreement! Talk about blind leading the blind!
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2003, 06:10:57 PM »
Jerry,
We aren't driving S&W out of business, we are reinforcing the businesses that stand up for us and themselves. Those who don't stand and fight will live to regret it. Let them live!

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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2003, 07:31:16 PM »
No Jerry we are not doing what clinton wanted, to put a gun manufacturer out of business. He was looking for a Weak link in the business and found one. Remember  an English company owned S&W and they are not for our gun rights. The deal was that by selling out us gun owners S&W would get the government contracts for their weapons. And remember S&W was worth I think 18 million and then was worth like 6 million almost over night, after the agreement.   American freedom had spoken. Now the new S&W administration doesn't want to make waves so we have to show them we are not happy with them for this, which means not buying their products.
If we show them and they want to survive then they will do what it takes to survive. Press them to make a decision.
They are either with us or against us, Make them decide.
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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2003, 04:59:03 AM »
Those who don't stand and fight will live to regret it.

Your stament is wrong Pauls

We will ALL regret it. Since when will it just be those who dont help will be hurt?

Sorry but  we ALL loose. We will ALL regret what the activists have done.
Becasue we  fight will not give us the RIGHT to own a gun if we loose.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2003, 09:48:39 AM »
The bigger and better mouse trap already won't work in Illinois. We have a 1.4" case length limit for  handgun deer hunting, and that was a Republican who got that nonsense accross. I'm not sure that voting staight Repulican will end our problem. We've had a Republican Governor who stabbed us in the back and several who just plain ignored us. Granted we have many Republicans who have served and helped the sportmen as much as they could, Dan Rutherford for one, who was a Representitive and is now a Senator in the Illinois general assembly. My opinion is we must be constantly on the alert and elect people who are on our side and will stay on our side. We MUST vote the double talking pollitician out of office in every state in the union. We MUST also support those who support our ideals.
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2003, 10:09:17 AM »
G.B.,I must of missed something here? Where did you get the info about S&W contributing money to destroy their own business? I've read the agreement that they signed with the Clinton crowd. But, must of missed the part your talking about. I try to stay up on the gun news as close as possible, but evidently haven't been watching close enough. Also, I haven't seen anything from Ruger about retracting their statements made on this subject, either, or any of the many others who made some damaging statements on this subject. Do you have info on which, if any, manufacturers who were loyal to their customers during this rush to comply(with the Clintons), or which have since retracted thier rash statements?
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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2003, 07:43:52 PM »
Jerry, I'm with you. I hate quitters too! For everyone else that want to punish S&W because of their former owners actions.....put yourself in the new owners shoes for a minute, and THINK.  If you were able to buy this company for 1/3 it's original value because of what the formal owners did, and you want to be successful!  You know because of history what will sink you. You know that your success will depend on keeping the gun buying American citizen, not the politican, happy. I would assume that the new owners of S&W care about their success like gun owners care about their rights. I'm going to get me a new S&W 500....The worst thing that can happen is it'll be a rare collectors item!

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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2003, 01:49:20 PM »
as far as being PISSED about what happened with S&W
But here is my take. A boycott of S&W at this point after changing hands again is cutting our nose off despite out face.
Putting S&W out of business is not what is needed.
We need MORE gun makers here not LESS.
I find it no more upsetting to buy a S&W than to purchase a gun made OUT OF the united states.
That said I want the new 500 S&W!!
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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2003, 02:43:34 PM »
:evil:  :evil: would rather "quit" ( as some of you have tried to 'shame' us into thinking that is what we are doing ) smith and wesson  than to quit on our CONSTITUTION.    smith went wrong when they thought they were bigger than the constitution;  they are just another company with a ******-up mindset, fact is that they still answer to the consumer.  the same consumer who they tried to sell out.   now dont whine to me or anyone else about how that was different owners.  the FACT is that they havent lifted a finger to get the agreement scrapped.   some of you buy into their lame excuses,  that is your choice.   dont piss down my back and tell me "it's raining!!"      i would like a few smiths,  but their past and present actions (or lack thereof) will prevent that from happening.   it doesnt really matter though;  taurus makes a far better gun for the money.  smith has been and will be playing catch up for a long time to come.          
  i took an oath to defend the constitution of the united states once,  and i intend to do so for life.   and until smith SHOWS me they are doing something  proactive (instead of talking trash) i intend to do so in part by boycotting all smith and wesson products,  new and used.   i dont let people spit on the graves of my ancestors (who suffered enormous sacrafice) and then thank them for doing so.   maybe some of you do.  think about it.  :evil:  :evil:

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2003, 01:17:39 PM »
I see you are VERY colorful on this subject and Have Much passion for this.
So my question for you is.
Do you or Have you ever owned a forein car?
Do you have anything in your household made in CHINA or Korea?
Do you have an American flag to fly?
is the flag made here or Overseas?
If the answers to any of these are YES then The pot is calling the Kettle Black.
Please do not start bashing me for this.
Everyone is intitled to their opinions and passions.
I am NOT UN AMERICAN or Against our constitution because I purchase an American made product.
maybe this thread has gotten out of hand?
I would think my fighting for my country gives me the RIGHT to own a S&W if I choose.
Every morning when I feel the Scar on my left arm I wonder If other AMERICANS ever wonder what some have been through to give them the right  to tell ME how I should run my life or what I should buy.
I never did buy a S&W with the Rotten owners, but know I have and will again.
How many here own a German made firearm? Or from Brazil?...Italy?
NONE of these people are our freinds but would rather see us Die as a country.
Are any of your firearms made in a country that is AGAINST us going to war against Iraq?
OK why so much passion about this?
You buy your taurus I will buy my S&W, But NEVER criticize me for buying AMERICAN made.
Not so much Passion about this?
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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2003, 04:20:47 PM »
Thomas, I think you missed the point all together. You use political jargon to satisfy yourself that you are doing all you can as an American. We need to band together to straighten out the mess we're in today. Not rest  on our past to gain support for anything that is UNAMERICAN. Most if not all Americans in our age group have bled for their country in one way or another. I have no intention of putting you or anyone else down, because of their beliefs, but hope that we can find common ground to heal what should never of came about. As far as something foriegn in our homes, I try to buy only U.S. made products( to hell with corporate thinking, their getting rich off of our poverty). As far as hope for the future, I hope that anyone who is retired never has to pay taxes anymore. And anyone who is retired has the same medical plan that  congressmen get when they leave their job. My belief is that if someone works their entire life to support this country, they should no longer pay taxes ( any kind of taxes) and have NO medical costs in their (supposed to be ) retirement years.
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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2003, 04:39:53 PM »
no i have never owned a foreign car (although i am sure that a good many parts on my american truck were made somewhere else).   when it comes to buying stuff for my house, i absolutely try to buy american first (unless said product is produced by a firm i believe to be undermining my rights as an american).   why,  yes i do have an american flag to fly.   and even though it wasnt asked,  yes i did serve my country.  
unfortunately in today's worldwide marketplace,  it is impossible to avoid buying things that are made in a foreign land.  i do my best to see products i buy keep my fellow americans employed.   but to imply that i am a hypocrite because of absolutely unavoidable circumstances just aint right;  and i dont believe i was bashing anyone.   and i dont believe that i ever said that folks aint got the right to buy what they want.  nor did i ever imply that anyone was un-american(other than smith and wesson).  MY  point was that folks trying to label those with a beef against smith and trying to shame them into changing their opinion aint right; and that folks should really think about where they spend their money, as that is what makes or breaks.
i make it a point on all of my posts not to single out a person on a personal level.   my opinions sometimes might ruffle feathers,  but i try really hard to keep it on the up and up.   i think, thomas,  you should re-read my post and re-think your response.    
by the way,  when i served my country,  i did it for past generations who sacraficed so much for me,  and for future generations yet to come that will someday do the same.   i dont use my service record to try to look down my nose at other people,  or to imply i am better than them.  maybe that isnt your intent; but that is how it is coming across on my end.    
on the smith and wesson issue,  you and me will just have to disagree on that.  it wont be the first time i have had a different opinion than someone else, and certainly not the last time.   and hey,  if it makes you feel any better,  i got my wisdom teeth yanked today and am quite tender.   so if yer thinking i'm a prick and hope something happens to teach me for being an opinionated jerk;  dont worry, it already did! :shock:  :)

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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2003, 04:55:54 PM »
You missed the point.
I fought for your right to tell me I should not buy a S&W handgun.
You have that right.
That my freind is not political Jargon. It is the truth.
I will buy a S&W no matter how you feel about it.
And you my freind have the RIGHT to respect MY View as I have yours.
tom

PS I really hope Each and every one of you concerned about our constitution and our rights throw away your Chineese flag before you pick on S&W.
GB sorry Guess this would belong in your political forum?

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« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2003, 05:23:54 AM »
Had to buy Aprils shooting times, .500 on the cover. This thing should come with wheels. The centerfold is an actual size photo. Gave me the giggles looking at it, especially after reading about how it will be the GUN OF CHOICE FOR DRUG DEALERS. Really puts things in perspective when it is shown next to a 629. Cylinder is long enough to chamber in .223Rem. Cartridge is too long to rechamber almost any other gun for.
 Dont think I'll be buying one, haven't bought a Smith in years, but looks like fun.
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« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2003, 06:16:55 AM »
I feel the full potential of the 500 S&W will be fullfilled when is put in a Lever Action rifle .Its just to much in a handgun for most shooters. I wonder who"ll be frist to put this baby in a lever action?  
       Betcha  it"ll be Marlin, Winchester is useing the .480 ruger .
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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2003, 10:48:04 AM »
Claims they have the  500 reamer on order.
Makes you winder how well in will work in the Encore.
tom