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« on: October 08, 2005, 09:50:30 PM »
I understand we have a new ok to carry a gun in the car law without need for a CCW.
What are the provisions for this or is it just the same ol law we have had forever, though it was not written down?
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2005, 03:22:01 AM »
Are you talking about the "traveling clause?"

These are the only exceptions:

§ 46.15.  NONAPPLICABILITY.  (a)  Sections 46.02 and
46.03 do not apply to:
      (1)  peace officers, including commissioned peace
officers of a recognized state, or special investigators under
Article 2.122, Code of Criminal Procedure, and neither section
prohibits a peace officer or special investigator from carrying a
weapon in this state, including in an establishment in this state
serving the public, regardless of whether the peace officer or
special investigator is engaged in the actual discharge of the
officer's or investigator's duties while carrying the weapon;
      (2)  parole officers and neither section prohibits an
officer from carrying a weapon in this state if the officer is:
         (A)  engaged in the actual discharge of the
officer's duties while carrying the weapon;  and
         (B)  in compliance with policies and procedures
adopted by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice regarding the
possession of a weapon by an officer while on duty;
      (3)  community supervision and corrections department
officers appointed or employed under Section 76.004, Government
Code, and neither section prohibits an officer from carrying a
weapon in this state if the officer is:
         (A)  engaged in the actual discharge of the
officer's duties while carrying the weapon;  and
         (B)  authorized to carry a weapon under Section
76.0051, Government Code;  
      (4)  a judge or justice of the supreme court, the court
of criminal appeals, a court of appeals, a district court, a
criminal district court, a constitutional county court, a statutory
county court, a justice court, or a municipal court who is licensed
to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code;  or
      (5)  an honorably retired peace officer or federal
criminal investigator who holds a certificate of proficiency issued
under Section 1701.357, Occupations Code, and is carrying a photo
identification that:
         (A)  verifies that the officer honorably retired
after not less than 20 years of service as a commissioned officer;  
and
         (B)  is issued by the agency from which the peace
officer retired or, for a federal criminal investigator, by a state
law enforcement agency.
   (b)  Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:                            

Text of subd. (b)(1) as added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1221,
§ 4
      (1)  is in the actual discharge of official duties as a
member of the armed forces or state military forces as defined by
Section 431.001, Government Code, or as an employee of a penal
institution who is performing a security function;

Text of subd. (b)(1) as added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1261,
§ 28
      (1)  is in the actual discharge of official duties as a
member of the armed forces or state military forces as defined by
Section 431.001, Government Code, or as a guard employed by a penal
institution;
      (2)  is on the person's own premises or premises under
the person's control unless the person is an employee or agent of
the owner of the premises and the person's primary responsibility
is to act in the capacity of a security guard to protect persons or
property, in which event the person must comply with Subdivision
(5);
      (3)  is traveling;                                                            

Text of subd. (b)(4) as added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1221,
§ 4
      (4)  is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other
sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is
conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's
residence, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity;

Text of subd. (b)(4) as added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1261,
§ 28
      (4)  is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other
sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is
conducted, or is directly en route between the premises and the
actor's residence, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the
activity;
      (5)  holds a security officer commission issued by the
Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies,
if:
         (A)  the person is engaged in the performance of
the person's duties as a security officer or traveling to and from
the person's place of assignment;
         (B)  the person is wearing a distinctive uniform;  
and                    
         (C)  the weapon is in plain view;                                            
      (6)  is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid
license issued under Article 4413(29ee), Revised Statutes, to carry
a concealed handgun of the same category as the handgun the person
is carrying;
      (7)  holds a security officer commission and a personal
protection authorization issued by the Texas Board of Private
Investigators and Private Security Agencies and who is providing
personal protection under the Private Investigators and Private
Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil
Statutes);  or
      (8)  holds an alcoholic beverage permit or license or
is an employee of a holder of an alcoholic beverage permit or
license if the person is supervising the operation of the permitted
or licensed premises.
   (c)  The provision of Section 46.02 prohibiting the carrying
of a club does not apply to a noncommissioned security guard at an
institution of higher education who carries a nightstick or similar
club, and who has undergone 15 hours of training in the proper use
of the club, including at least seven hours of training in the use
of the club for nonviolent restraint.  For the purposes of this
subsection, "nonviolent restraint" means the use of reasonable
force, not intended and not likely to inflict bodily injury.
   (d)  The provisions of Section 46.02 prohibiting the
carrying of a firearm or carrying of a club do not apply to a public
security officer employed by the adjutant general under Section
431.029, Government Code, in performance of official duties or
while traveling to or from a place of duty.
   (e)  The provisions of Section 46.02 prohibiting the
carrying of an illegal knife do not apply to an individual carrying
a bowie knife or a sword used in a historical demonstration or in a
ceremony in which the knife or sword is significant to the
performance of the ceremony.
   (f)  Section 46.03(a)(6) does not apply to a person who
possesses a firearm or club while in the actual discharge of
official duties as:
      (1)  a member of the armed forces or state military
forces, as defined by Section 431.001, Government Code;  or
      (2)  an employee of a penal institution.                                      

Text of subsec. (g) as added by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 421, § 1
   (g)  For the purpose of Subsection (b)(2), "premises"
includes a recreational vehicle that is being used by the person
carrying the handgun, illegal knife, or club as living quarters,
regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent.  In this
subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily
designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains
temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor
vehicle.  The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer,
truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.

Text of subsec. (g) as added by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 795, § 1
   (g)  In this section, "recognized state" means another state
with which the attorney general of this state, with the approval of
the governor of this state, negotiated an agreement after
determining that the other state:
      (1)  has firearm proficiency requirements for peace
officers;  and          
      (2)  fully recognizes the right of peace officers
commissioned in this state to carry weapons in the other state.

Added by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, § 18, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.  
Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1221, § 4, eff. June 20,
1997;  Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1261, § 28, eff. Sept. 1, 1997;  
Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, § 9.25, eff. Sept. 1, 1999;  Acts
1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1445, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1999;  Acts 2001,
77th Leg., ch. 1060, § 3, eff. Sept. 1, 2001;  Acts 2003, 78th
Leg., ch. 325, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2003;  Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch.
421, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003;  Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 795, §
1, eff. June 20, 2003.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2005, 03:50:23 AM »
That's way more technical legalese than I wanna read.

Your new law has now defined "travel". In the past it was Ok to carry while you were traveling but there was no definition of what constituted "travel". It has now been legally defined.


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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2005, 11:38:16 AM »
I think there should be a nation wide CCW permit and vehicles an extension of your dwelling.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2005, 02:25:44 PM »
Actually that is not the new law which I understand is in effect now.
The conversations I have listened too have been to effect that a citizen WITHOUT a CCW permit was allowed to carry a concealed weapon in their car-period.
Cannot carry outside of vehicle but the weapon can be in the car, I am guessing, permanently-whoever would leave it in a car is up for grabs.
I was just inquiring into the particulars of this new law, if, any was aware of the particulars.
Texas has always allowed this anyway or looked the other way.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2005, 03:37:24 PM »
In reference to carrying in the glovebox, No, you can't do it unless you havea CHL.  We do recognize other States CHL license, but only if they recognize Texas.  The only way one can carry in the glovebox is if they are traveling.  Now, it would be officer discretion if they want to enforce this law and arrest one without a license for carrying in the glovebox.  

I've had officers work for me before that were young and thought they had to arrest everybody for everything, boot knife (double edge knife), butterfly knife, ect....Me, depends on the person, it they look like a "banger" and they are carrying a gun, they would probably go...If its a woman and she is working late at night and has a gun in the glovebox, she probably will get a warning... :money:

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2005, 04:51:54 PM »
:wink: I read in a Texas State Rifle Association magizine that a new law had been passed approving carry of a firearm in the vehicle while traveling.  It had to be carried out of sight, but could be carried with-in reach of the driver.

Under the old law you could carry if you were leaving the county you reside in.  This law did not always prevent you from being arrested if caught.  For example, you could carry while traveling from abilene to Dallas, but once you reached Dallas, it was unlawful to carry in the City Limits of Dallas, so what do you do with your gun?  Most folks would unload and put it in the trunk.  When I traveled to one of the big cities, I moved mine closer to me when I crossed into the city limit.

The old law was weird, but it was written many years ago as one of the "jim crow" laws.  It was designed to prevent black folks from carrying a gun in their cars, and was long over due for a re-write.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2005, 11:59:46 PM »
The old law was an impossibility to enforce correctly and, from my experiences growing up, was largely ignored by the boys.
I recently, while on a day trip to Louisiana, was stopped for speeding-This dutiful officer ignored the one in front of me and the one behind me, who were from LA., and got me, OH WELL- I gave the officer my CCW card with my driver lic. and he asked me what that was. When I told him his only response was, oh, thats cool-OH WELL, again.
I have been stopped many times, read-TOO many, and have never been questioned. This was before the CCW.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2005, 05:37:58 AM »
Quote from: Redhawk1
I think there should be a nation wide CCW permit
I respectfully disagree.

What we need is for states to honor other state's CCW in the same manner that a driver's license is honored from state to state.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 06:16:11 AM »
:D I agree with Sir Knight, but we all know it won't happen.  still, when I travel through states that don't honor my Texas license I usually have one close by in the vehicle.  I will just have to face the music if caught, but I still believe it best to be judged by 12 than carried by eight.

Now, back to the original question.  HB823 by Rep Terry Keel (R-Austin) made the most significant change to the travel law since Reconstruction.  HB 823 states that a person is presumed to be traveling if the person is in a private vehicle, not engaged in criminal activity, not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, not a member of a street gang as defined by law and NOT CARRYING IN PLAIN VIEW.  THis allows you to carry in your glove box if you meet the requirements and are traveling.

Rep. Keel has announced his cadidacy for place 8 on the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.  This is the highest criminal court in Texas.  I think he deserves our support and will be an asset to the gun owners of Texas. :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2005, 11:47:24 AM »
I think thas tha one by golly. I am going to assume that if you are in your car yo are traveling? That your thinking?
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2005, 12:05:48 PM »
:roll: I have a concealed license, but if I didn't, I would be traveling, or on my way to the range.  You know, "I know it is midnight officer, but I wanted to get some night firing in."  

That's my story and I am sticking to it. :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 02:37:44 AM »
YUP or I'm goin to El Paso, er, by way of Houston.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2005, 04:55:22 AM »
Bi -annualy Tuolumne County now requires you attend a class to renew your permit,last night was mine and it was a 30 minute discussion and that was it.Surrounding states do not accept our CWP"S anymore only inside of Kalitaxia.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2005, 01:07:49 AM »
this is from  http://www.gunlaws.com/tgogup3.htm


THE BIGGEST CHANGE OF THE YEAR:

"Traveling" defined at last, almost, after more than 125 years
HB 823 -- Amends Penal Code 2.05, 46.15

Analysts at the NRA, along with the Texas State Rifle Association's Legislative Committee describe these two new amendments this way:

"Texas H.B. 823 prevents the police from routinely arresting a law-abiding person who is transporting a concealed pistol in his motor vehicle. This is accomplished by clothing a law-abiding person with the presumption of being a traveler. The traveler presumption may be rebutted by the state by presenting proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In plain terms, a law-abiding person should have no problem transporting his pistol in a motor vehicle provided the pistol is concealed."

Texas Attorney Sean Healy has an eight-page paper
attempting to describe the new situation, read it here.

NRA short version (6/05):
"Legalizes the carrying of concealed handguns in private vehicles without a CHL."

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2005, 02:18:44 AM »
HIP-HIP-HURRAH ! Tha boys have always been polite but now they can breath easier.
It is a good change.
Thanx for the links and info,
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2005, 06:43:25 PM »
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"Texas H.B. 823 prevents the police from routinely arresting a law-abiding person who is transporting a concealed pistol in his motor vehicle. This is accomplished by clothing a law-abiding person with the presumption of being a traveler. The traveler presumption may be rebutted by the state by presenting proof beyond a reasonable doubt. "


Presumption being the key word. The Harris County DA has already stated that he will prosecute anyone caught carrying under this law who can't prove they are traveling. Lots of good info at www.packing.org.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2005, 12:59:23 PM »
Good political rhetoric, however; I believe that is just political rhetoric. Now he will procecute gang bangers and felons, tha boy comin home from the night shift at Shell probable has no worries.
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