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Offline FWiedner

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Roberts' Second Amendment Testimony
« on: September 16, 2005, 04:23:05 AM »
Judge Roberts' Second Amendment Testimony Before the Senate
Judiciary Committee


By Ralph Weller

The following are questions by Senator Feingold and answers by Judge Roberts on the Second Amendment.  You can draw your own conclusions.


FEINGOLD: Let's go to something else then. I'd like to hear your views about the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms. This is an amendment where there's a real shortage of jurisprudence.

You mentioned the Third Amendment where there's even less jurisprudence, but the Second Amendment's close. So I think you can maybe help us understand your approach to interpreting the Constitution by saying a bit about it.

The Second Amendment raises interesting questions about a constitutional interpretation. I read the Second Amendment as providing an individual right to keep and bear arms as opposed to only a collective right. Individual Americans have a constitutional right to own and use guns. And there are a number of actions that legislatures should not take in my view to restrict gun ownership.

FEINGOLD: The modern Supreme Court has only heard one case interpreting the Second Amendment. That case is U.S. v. Miller. It was heard back in 1939. And the court indicated that it saw the right to bear arms as a collective right.

In a second case, in U.S. v. Emerson, the court denied cert and let stand the lower court opinion that upheld the statute banning gun possession by individuals subject to a restraining order against a second amendment challenge.

The appeals court viewed the right to bear arms as an individual right. The Supreme Court declined to review the Appeals Court decision.

So what is your view of the Second Amendment? Do you support one of the other views of the views of what was intended by that amendment?

ROBERTS: Yes. Well, I mean, you're quite right that there is a dispute among the circuit courts. It's really a conflict among the circuits.

The 5th Circuit -- I think it was in the Emerson case, if I'm remembering it correctly -- agreed with what I understand to be your view, that this protects an individual right. But they went on to say that the right was not infringed in that case. They upheld the regulations there.

The 9th Circuit has taken a different view. I don't remember the name of the case now. But a very recent case from the 9th Circuit has taken the opposite view that it protects only a collective right, as they said.

In other words, it's only the right of a militia to possess arms and not an individual right.

Particularly since you have this conflict -- cert was denied in the Emerson case -- I'm not sure it's been sought in the other one or will be. That's sort of the issue that's likely to come before the Supreme Court when you have conflicting views.

I know the Miller case side-stepped that issue. An argument was made back in 1939 that this provides only a collective right. And the court didn't address that. They said, instead, that the firearm at issue there -- I think it was a sawed-off shotgun -- is not the type of weapon protected under the militia aspect of the Second Amendment.

So people try to read the tea leaves about Miller and what would come out on this issue. But that's still very much an open issue.

FEINGOLD: I understand that case could come before you. I'm wondering if you would anticipate that in such a case that a serious question would be: Which interpretation is correct?

ROBERTS: Well, anytime you have two different courts of appeals taking opposite positions, I think you have to regard that as a serious question. That's not expressing a view one way or the other. It's just saying, I know the 9th Circuit thinks it's only a collective right. I know the 5th Circuit thinks it's an individual right. And I know the job of the Supreme Court is to resolve circuit conflicts. So I do think that issue is one that's likely to come before the court.

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*FW Note:

Ahhh, there's nothing like watching a judicial sail flap gently while waiting to catch the political wind...

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2005, 07:01:32 AM »
I doubt Judge Roberts is "flapping in the wind".  If he answers the question he would have to recuse himself should the case ever come before the court.  Otherwise he will have given the impression he made up his mind on a case before hearing it.  That's why he declined to give specific answers to case questions.

If you read this guys record you'll find, I think, a judge who believes in judicial restraint.  I think he's capable of thinking for himself and won't toe any given party line.

There could certainly be much worse choices.

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2005, 11:02:25 AM »
I'll give the guy credit for taking a stand on judicial independence and impartiallity.

His steadfast refusal to be pinned down to a party line was impressive.

He stated that he has "no agenda".

Still, I'm somewhat curious about what he believes in.  No one is totally impartial .

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2005, 09:09:54 AM »
It appears that the Left is likely to be ok with him because the Far Right is not real happy with his being selected.
He has been like a rock in all matters that could come before the court; be them Liberal or Conservative issues. That's the only way he can be. consistent.  He's good at it too.
I don't look upon him as being slippery. I think that he is proving that he means what he says.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2005, 05:51:17 PM »
I agree Bill.

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2005, 07:02:51 AM »
""John Roberts is a man long accustomed to answering really hard questions from extremely smart people, suddenly faced with the almost-harder task of answering obvious questions from less-smart people. He finds himself standing in a batting cage with the pitching machine set way too slow." —Dahlia Lithwick

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