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Liberty (Part Five)
« on: September 20, 2005, 03:52:28 AM »
Liberty (Part Five)

By Peter J. Mancus

116. The price of having a Constitutional government is having government take rights seriously, to trust Freedom, to trust the Framers' vision and judgment, to honor Constitutional bright lines, whether government likes them or not. The stark, sad fact is this: many judges, many elected officials, and many bureaucrats dishonor Constitutional bright lines.

117. To the extent that civil authority fails to honor Constitutional bright lines, it forfeits its legitimacy, citizens have no duty to obey nor comply with arbitrary rules, the Bill of Rights glue lets go and we flirt—seriously—with civil war.

118. What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed," if any, do you not understand?

119. How could the Framers have made that Constitutional bright line any brighter?

120. Collectively, the Judiciary has done to the Second Amendment what a grossly incompetent plastic surgeon would do during a face lift: put the belly button on the chin, the left ear where the nose should be and cut nerves so the facial muscles are inoperative, the skin drops, the face loses its symmetry and the patient emerges looking like a grotesque freak. This is not hyperbole. As support for this statement, read Clayton E. Cramer's For The Defense of Themselves and the State: The Original Intent and Judicial Interpretation of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, ISBN 0-275-94913-3. This is an excellent survey of leading judicial interpretations of the Second Amendment contrasted with the historical record left behind by the Founders, Framers and Ratifiers of the organic law of the United States—The July 4 th Declaration, the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Bill of Rights. While reading this book, most of the judges quoted in this book made me feel embarrassed for, and ashamed of, the legal profession. These "guardians of the Constitution and Liberty" are, at best, inept. Only a pitiful handful of judges quoted by Mr. Cramer "got it right."

121. Question: Why should citizens obey judges who are all over the ball park...and even outside it? When they do not agree among themselves? Example: the Federal 9 th  Circuit of Appeals ruled that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right to arms and since there is no such right, no gun owner has "standing" [a fancy legal term meaning a legally recognized basis] to bring a lawsuit to redeem a right. The Federal 5 th  Circuit of Appeals, however, ruled 180 degrees contrary! Rights should never be a function of geography and chance based on the circuit in which one lives. If the Bill of Rights glue was strong, the 9 th and the 5 th circuits would agree, but they disagree.

122. The much maligned militia has a Constitutionally legitimate, vital purpose and function: when all else fails, to preserve Liberty and the Constitutional Rule of Law.

123. Out of approximately 75 million firearms owners in the U.S., 99.99999999999999% of them, yesterday, the day before, the day before that, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, ad nauseam, did not misuse a firearm in any way.

124. Since when is the misuse of a right by a small percentage Constitutionally good cause to permit prior restraint against the exercise of that right by the many, out of fear that some one some place some time might abuse the right? Answer: Never!

125. Post-misuse of a firearm punishment is Constitutionally permissible. But, all prior restraint regulation of firearms regarding the mere manufacture, sale, purchase, possession, control, ownership, non-negligent use, and carrying a firearm in a public place for lawful self-defense, is Constitutionally infirmed. Otherwise, the Constitutional bright line of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." is meaningless.

126. How can a right be regulated without being infringed?

127. How is the general welfare promoted when all rights are subject to prior restraint, diluted, preconditioned, reduced to privileges, suspended?

128. How does civil authority promote the general welfare when it guts the Second Amendment and orders citizens to circulate in public as unarmed, defenseless, vulnerable prey, with the knowledge that law enforcement cannot protect the public?

129. How does civil authority promote the general welfare when it persistently rails against inanimate objects, exploits tragedies involving firearms, blames and oppresses those who never misused a gun, increasingly reduces citizens to a state of defenseless dependency on cops who cannot defend them, refuses to accept liability for failing to defend citizens who it will not let defend themselves, and increasingly moves the nation toward a police state?

130. Is the Constitution a contract between civil authority and U.S. citizens? If the answer is "No.," why do citizens have to obey civil authority? Why is civil authority's rule legitimate? If the answer is "Yes," must civil authority obey the Constitution? Or may civil authority grant itself immunity and set itself up above and against the Constitution and the citizenry? If civil authority's rule is illegitimate, how long should citizens tolerate such rule? Why?

131. Would you enter into a contract when the other party to the contract told you in advance, and in writing, that per the terms of the contract, they had an unappealable, absolute right to interpret and apply the contract any way they wanted to and you had to go along with their unilateral, unappealable interpretation and implementation of the contract?

132. Do you realize that when the U.S. Supreme Court declared that it has the sole power to determine what is and is not Constitutional, and that it, and all government, is cloaked with immunity, that the Judiciary perverted Mankind's greatest achievement—the Bill of Rights—and made you an unwilling party to a one sided contract, a contract of adhesion.

133. George Washington, "Father of the Country," called guns "Liberty's teeth." Diane Feinstein, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Sarah Brady, Gray Davis, Don Perata, and many public serpents masquerading as tin stars have maligned "Liberty's teeth" by pejoratively labeling them assault weapons. Who do you trust: George Washington or these public serpents?

134. If you are inclined to support more victim disarmament laws, why? Why are you more comfortable with only criminals and cops having guns instead of law-abiding citizens also having guns? Why do you want to move the United States toward a police state? Do you realize that when citizens are disarmed and the streets are safe only for police and criminals, that is the classic definition of a police state? Where is the virtue in this: the police arrive at a crime scene and find a strangled, raped female and a long-gone rapist? Is this not more virtuous: the police arrive at a crime scene and find a criminal assailant prone, bleeding, with two bullet holes in his chest and a live, unharmed female?

135. Which is more accurate: the police exist to protect and to defend or to draw chalk lines and to investigate?

136. After September 11, are not all citizens now on the front lines? If so, why does civil authority inexplicably treat us as cattle or the enemy or suspects instead of as citizens?

137. Dial 911 is not a failsafe crime prevention program. Dial 911 is law enforcement's biggest sham against taxpayers. It is a bone tossed to placate those who are gullible, who blindly trust the police, the misinformed and the uninformed. For Dial 911 to be effective, approximately 30 or more links in the "Dial 911 chain" have to all fall in place and be secure. Each of those links, however, is incredibly weak. Dial 911 is really civil authority's version of Dial-A-Prayer. A cheap, functioning .38 caliber revolver, that is readily accessible, is superior crime protection to an expensive cell phone and a dispatcher on the other end of the line.

138. Guns have enemies: Rust, Freedom Haters, Liberty Thieves, Whoring Politicians, Tyrant Wannabees, Tyrants and their Useful Idiots, Public Serpents, Uninformed or Misinformed Citizens, and Sheeple.

139. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

140. One does not shoot to kill; one shoots to stay alive. Guns are designed to kill. So what? What is wrong with killing enemies who initiate unlawful force? Criminals? Muggers? Rapists? Murderers? Tyrants? Guns are also designed to deter crime, to preserve liberty, and to save lives.

141. Firearms are inanimate objects made of metal, wood and plastic. They are incapable of human thought or emotion. They cannot form the intent to commit an "assault". The only thing a loaded firearm can do without human intervention is . . . . What? Answer: Self-destruct via a mechanism called rust. Self-destruction is the opposite of commit an assault. Where is the hard, verifiable, objective proof that any firearm in the history of firearms has done any of the following: Formed the intent to commit an assault? Loaded itself? Selected a target? Aimed itself? Pulled its own trigger?

142. What are the real assault weapons? Answers: Politicians who champion victim disarmament laws in a mad march toward Tyranny in the name of gun control.

143. If you think champions of victim disarmament laws are trustworthy, since they disregard your rights when an armed citizenry exists, do you think they will honor your rights when citizens are disarmed?

144. Is a gun on a shelf in a gun store morally neutral? If it is bought by a cop does it become a good gun? If it is bought by an ordinary citizen does it become a bad gun? If the cop misplaces his gun and it is found by a criminal does it morph into being a bad gun? Does it morph into being a good gun again when found by an ordinary citizen? When returned to the cop? Is a gun used to stop a crime a bad gun? Is a gun used to preserve or to restore Liberty bad?

145. Ever notice how many statues of Liberty's heroes include a gun?

146. Since champions of victim disarmament laws fancy themselves to be so smart and so superior, why do they refer to inanimate objects as being capable of forming the intent to commit an assault? Are these people smart, stupid or demagogues? Do they have a sinister agenda? Are they doing their utmost best to manipulate you against yourself and against Liberty—to scare you into surrendering your rights?

147. Burn this into your psyche: An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject—and worse: a piss ant. Civil authority has to take a citizen seriously. Civil authority can ignore, flatten, incarcerate, and execute a piss ant. Which would you rather be: a citizen or a piss ant?

148. Burn this also into your psyche: A gun in the hand is better than a dispatcher on the phone or a cop in route.

149.Gun control is all of the following: putting ten bullets in the same hole; people control in the guise of crime control; people control; control—period, repeat, just plain tyrannical control dressed up as crime control; the biggest and most dangerous farce since the end of WWII; a smokescreen to warrant surrendering real security—Freedom supported by armed citizens. Gun control is not criminal control nor crime control. Gun control as an effective criminal control measure is a trade-off, not a solution to eradicating or reducing crime. This trade-off [swapping Liberty for alleged Security to end up with Tyranny] is a blatantly bad trade for citizens. It is sloppy "thinking" to assign cause of crime to guns, to assume or even suggest that all gun owners are or even might be criminals.

150. If the linkage of guns to crime or anyone with a gun to be a criminal is valid, are cops criminals? What about sheriffs? Highway patrol? FBI agents? The Armed Forces?

151. If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words, forks cause obesity, cars cause drunk driving, banks cause themselves to be robbed and houses cause burglaries.

152. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. They use their arms as Liberty's teeth to preserve Liberty, to hold the Prince to his promise, to stay alive and to preserve their autonomy. If you don't know your rights you don't have any. If you know your rights but will not fight for them, your rights are worthless because you would not stand up for them, claim them, enforce them, breathe life into them, make them vital and relevant, force others to acquiesce to your claim. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for...and to kill for, literally.

153. Those who trade Liberty for Security have neither. They end up with Tyranny.

154. Freedom is not free.

155. The best security is Freedom! — unfettered freedom and maintaining faith with the Founders and Framers.

156. Criminals love victim disarmament laws—it makes their jobs safer.

157. A government that oppresses it citizens tends to be afraid of them and tries to control them and over regulate them.

158. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

159. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control. In fact, the King's and the redcoats' efforts to disarm the colonials triggered "the shot heard around the world" and Patrick Henry's electrifying "Give me liberty or give me death" speech.

160. To King George III and his redcoats, the Minutemen's single-shot, muzzle-loading muskets were assault weapons.

161. This nation was born of the courage of religious, God fearing "criminals" — "gun nuts" who treasured Liberty and who understood the true linkage between an armed citizenry and Liberty.

162. Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who still have swords.

163. If you champion non-violence, Taliban airplane highjackers would love to highjack an airliner filled with people who share your views. No airliner filled with people who share my view would ever be successfully highjacked. People who share my views would quickly muster as a make shift militia [the peoples' army] and defeat the highjackers' — without the damn government's help.

164. The core essence of Talibanism is this: manipulating and perverting language and established doctrine to mean something else for self-serving purposes; unfettered, arbitrary control over others; the willingness to commit despicable acts against innocent others without just cause; and actually doing so.

165. The United States is plagued with American style Talibans. These societal scourges are frequently referred to as liberal Democrats and champions of victim disarmament laws—anyone who tells you that we must surrender one more liberty or right to promote the general welfare. A classic example of an American style Taliban is Gordon Pitter, Police Chief, Sebastopol, California. This public serpent functioned as an American style Taliban when he did all of the following:  

First, he refused to stock his police headquarters with CCW permit applications because instead of making an individual determination for each applicant, he made up his mind that he would never issue a CCW permit to anyone; hence, there was [allegedly] no purpose in keeping a supply of such applications on hand.
Second, he made up his own illegal "legislation by cop" standard for issuing CCW permits, namely, one had to be "the best" to get a permit and, since he is incapable of determining who is "the best," he decided he would never issue a CCW permit to anyone.
Third, he did this after the Federal 9 th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that police chiefs must make an individual determination for each application for a CCW permit, and California law states that for "good cause" the police chief may issue such permits, which implies that some permits, at a minimum, should be issued. But this American style Taliban unilaterally pushed his discretion to an extreme and, by refusing to even give out, or to consider, CCW applications, refused to exercise his discretion, which is a clear abuse of his discretion.
Finally, to exacerbate matters, the Sebastopol City Council, the Sebastopol City Manager, and the Sebastopol City Attorney, to date, after being put on repeated clear notice of this rogue public serpent, have still failed to take any meaningful public action to get this serpent under control or to fire him.
166. Anyone who tells you you must surrender liberty, you have no right to use a gun in a public place for lawful self-defense, and you must beg them for their permission to do so is your enemy. Repeat: your enemy. That fact is true despite the fact that that enemy may be perceived by others as a police chief or a sheriff or a law maker or a judge, too many of which have morphed into being public serpents.

167. Gun Prohibitionists who champion victim disarmament laws support unconstitutional policies. They are hypocrites, elitists, authoritarians who support discriminatory laws of racist origins that are Nazi inspired.

168. Citizens who really believe in the inalienable right to life and liberty, and that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to arms that shall not be infringed, act like it. They pack a sidearm without a CCW permit. They go public with that fact. They defy civil authority to arrest them. If arrested, they defend in court. If the jury does not cut them loose, and if they lose on appeal, the militia, if active, musters, and does whatever needs to be done to correct a miscarriage of justice. Otherwise, Liberty is toothless.

169. The highest person on the proper Constitutional chain of command is: citizen. Never forget that fact. Burn that fact into your brain. Every citizen should exercise oversight control over all public serpents and tell these serpents that citizens are their boss and master, not the other way around.

170. Unfortunately, too many domestic enemies of the U.S. Constitution know they are such and do not give a damn, are proud of it and are pretty good at concealing that fact while others are Constitutional illiterates who are so incompetent they do not realize that they are one of those "domestic" enemies that they took a sworn oath to defend against.

171. Do not take refuge in denial. Given current trends, the odds are high that government goons will be sent to confiscate your guns.

172. When firearm confiscation begins, as a good citizen, it is incumbent upon you to surrender your guns—bullets first.

173. All gun confiscation orders would be unconstitutional. All who issue such orders would be traitors. All who would try to execute those orders would be traitors. Such orders would be in contravention of the organic law of this nation and the Nuremberg Principle [civil authority cannot wage war against its own civilians and "I was just following orders." is not a legally valid defense to obeying an illegal order.] Any cop and any soldier who violates those legal principles is, despite his or her uniform, a government goon. When a government goon leaves you no alternative, per the organic law of this nation, it is every citizen's right and duty to kill the goon and all who issued such orders.

174. I want to be perfectly clear on the following points.

A peace officer, like all good citizens, is worth many times his or her weight in gold. Each are true national assets. Each should be treasured.
Peace officers and citizens function best when they reinforce and support one another. Each group should do their utmost best to never let anyone drive a wedge between them nor to separate them from the U.S. Bill of Rights.
It is vital, however, to understand the difference between a peace officer, a law enforcement officer, an enforcer, and a government goon. The first respects the Constitution. The later will enforce anything.
The stark reality is simply this: a citizen loyal to the Constitutional Rule of Law must be willing, able and ready to reduce a gun grabbing government goon to maggot meat; otherwise, Liberty has no teeth.
Judges cannot be counted upon to preserve nor to restore Liberty.
Some judges are political hacks. Some cave to perceived political correctness. A tyrant wannabee has the power to turn an excellent judge's brain into a pink mist.
None of the above is intended to reflect adversely on good cops, good soldiers and good judges, of which there are many.
But no one who seriously violates the Constitution should be granted sanctuary merely because of their uniform or title.
It is vital that civil authority not miscalculate; therefore, I am doing my utmost best to send a clear message to civil authority, its agents, and all citizens. In my judgement, it is better for gun grabbing government goons to be greeted by Geronimos, not Ghandis.
THE BEST WAY TO PROMOTE A PEACEFUL CO-EXISTENCE PER A CONSTITUTIONAL RULE OF LAW AND TO PROVE THAT YOU ABHOR VIOLENCE IS TO TAKE THE BILL OF RIGHTS SERIOUSLY — THE ENTIRE BILL, AS WRITTEN. THIS IS BECAUSE TO THE EXTENT THAT CIVIL AUTHORITY AND CITIZENS REVERE THE BILL OF RIGHTS, EVERYONE'S RIGHTS, FREEDOM, AND LIBERTY ARE HONORED, CIVIL AUTHORITY DOES NOT ALIENATE ITSELF FROM CITIZENS, CIVIL AUTHORITY'S LEGITIMACY REMAINS BEYOND DISPUTE, AND PEOPLE LACK MERITORIOUS GRIEVANCES. AS A CONSEQUENCE, THERE EXISTS NO ISSUE WORTHY OF VIOLENCE, ESPECIALLY LETHAL FORCE.
175. If the referenced train wreck is to be avoided, it is imperative that all good cops, all good soldiers, all good judges, and all ordinary good citizens unite around the Bill of Rights, support one another—publicly and strenuously, in a manner that maintains faith with the Founders and Framers—to promote a maximum measure of individual liberty. Otherwise, the Bill of Right's glue will let go and the train wreck will happen.

176. If you are unwilling to deliver your guns bullets first, look in the mirror and ask yourself, honestly, this question: "Am I worthy of Liberty?"

177. When the glue lets go, and gun grabbing government goons come, Liberty has a knife held to her jugular. Ordinary citizens must marshall quickly and effectively as a militia to preserve Liberty. They must do what no reasonably constituted person wants to do: kill other human beings over an idea and a dispute about the meaning of words. But much more than words, definitions and concepts are involved. Liberty, the Constitutional Rule of Law, Civilization and a Way of Life are involved...and at risk.

178. If you will not stand up for Liberty now, before the government goons come, who will?

179. If you will not stand up for Liberty now, before the government goons come, what makes you think you will stand up then? Are you kidding yourself? Be honest!

180. If you will not stand up, how will Liberty survive?

181. If you will not stand up for Liberty now, think about the following wisdom. You need to come to terms with these quotations.

"Will the abandonment of your most sacred rights tend to the security of your liberty? Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings—give us that precious jewel, and you may take everything else! ... Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force and whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." —Patrick Henry, "Liberty or Death" Speech

"Disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God." —Benjamin Franklin*

*[Comment: A friend of mine said, "The fat man got it right!"]

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will be imposed upon them, and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both." —Frederick Douglas, "West Indian Emancipation" August 4, 1857

"For this reason, whoever desires liberty, should understand these vital facts, viz: 1. That every man who puts money into the hands of a "government" (so called), puts into its hands a sword which will be used against himself, to extort more money from him, and also to keep him in subjection to its arbitrary will. 2. That those who will take his money, without his consent, in the first place will use it for his further robbery and enslavement, if he presumes to resist their demands in the future." —Lysander Spooner, No Treason No. VI, 1870

182. We are all guilty of civic malpractice. We have the kind of civil authority we deserve. Citizens are guilty of citizen malpractice for letting civil authority slip its Constitutional collar. Officials are guilty of statecraft malpractice for inventing bogus doctrines, for hiding behind immunities, for gutting the Right to Petition and for gutting the Second Amendment.

183. Mark my words: Our system is at these stages—Complacency. Rot. Blatant Oppression. Agitation for Reform. We are close to civil war. The sky is falling.

184. Anyone who claims citizens do not have a right to defend themselves in a public place with a firearm is invited to self-fornicate.

185. Power still comes out of the barrel of a gun.

186. Gun Prohibitionists are thin skinned serpents, easily reduced to maggot meat by lead poisoning.

187. We are in a race to see which happens first: Civil authority takes the First Amendment's Right to Petition and the Second Amendment's individual right to bear arms free of prior restraint seriously or civil war erupts.

188. A civic lesson in Triggernometry 101 will cancel all ballots and nullify all unconstitutional laws, laying the ground work for a rebirth of freedom, at a horrific price. That price will probably have to be paid because power abhors a vacuum. That is an eternal truth per the Laws of Nature and the Laws of Politics.

189. Power, unless checked, will expand indefinitely, consuming all in its path.

190. Unfortunately, civic authority is not sufficiently afraid of an armed citizenry. Too many citizens are apathetic, clueless, scared and have been too tolerant of, and too polite toward, public serpents. On the other hand, there is a hard corps of armed citizens who retain the will, the courage, the skill, and the pragmatic means to enforce their rights and to deliver an overdue, well deserved, comeuppance to public serpents. Civil authority, collectively, however, is too arrogant and too stupid to appreciate how vulnerable it is and how much it has virulently pissed off a hard corps of armed citizens.

191. Do you now understand the link between privately owned, unregistered firearms and Liberty? Do you now understand that civil authority in the United States operates like a criminal enterprise under the sham of the people being sovereign and in control of civil authority?

192. So, what needs to be done? Ponder these reforms and ideas:

Immediately declare that the Second Amendment does guarantee an individual right to arms independently of membership in any government organization, that all prior restraints against that right are unconstitutional, and take that right seriously.
Immediately repeal all prior restraint "CCW permit" weapons laws and get law enforcement entirely out of the business of issuing CCW permits.
Immediately repeal all laws that grant civil authority immunity for its wrong doing.
Civil authority should immediately start taking ultra seriously two rights: the First Amendment's Right to Petition for Redress of Grievances and the Second Amendment's Right to Bear Arms—including in a public place.
The U.S. Supreme Court should reverse itself and declare that it does not have sole authority to determine what is and is not Constitutional.
The U.S. Supreme Court should promptly declare that jurors are permitted to be a judge of the facts and the law.
Celebrate every December 15th as Bill of Rights Day in ways that are truly meaningful. [I can think of at least a dozen major different ways to do so. Can you?]
Become Constitutionally literate.
Know what your rights are.
Know the limits of civil authority's powers.
Demand that all officials stay in line and wear the Constitution's chains.
Get involved politically.
Publicly tell civil authority when it is committing error or makes and enforces unwise policy.
Do not give up on the political-legal system.
Throw off your chains! Stop being psychologically intimidated by civil authority.
Prepare for civil war—in earnest. Train yourself to be the functional equivalent of an effective, modern Minuteman.
Steel yourself to the idea of killing public serpents, if it becomes truly necessary, as a last ditch effort to keep Liberty's flame burning.
193. Do you reject this analysis? These sentiments? If so, here is a challenge:

Are any specified facts wrong?
If Gun Grabbing Government Goons started their raids tomorrow, are you prepared to stop them?
Are you enjoying some measure of Liberty now because Tyrant Wannabees fear me and people like me?
What have you done to preserve Liberty?
Do you take Liberty for granted?
As a citizen, are you coasting?
Do you assume that tyranny can never take root in the United States? How far down the Tyrant's Pattern are we?
Do you realize that most victims of tyranny did not see the darkness fall until they were trapped?
Can you see yourself being reduced to a lampshade? To a medical experiment? To smoke? To a bullet stop? To land fill?
194. In summation, think about the following. There is a grand building located at 914 Capitol Mall in Sacramento, California. The California Supreme Court frequently sits in this building. Sadly, that court has been acting in a fractured manner. It has a track record of honoring most Constitutional bright lines but not this one:  

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."  

Instead, this court has been upholding laws that further infringe against the Second Amendment. Ironically, the east wall of the lobby of this building contains this inscription:

"This abode of peace shall stand as long as there are those willing to die in its defense."

Think about this court's record on Second Amendment cases and this inscription. Ask yourself these questions:

Is that building still an "abode of peace" or has it degenerated it into an "abode of Judicial Despotism" blind to the Second Amendment's Constitutional bright line?
Who is willing to die in defense of that "abode," and its current occupants, when those occupants are unwilling to honor the Second Amendment's Constitutional bright line? [Not I!]
Who is willing to die in defense of that "abode," and its current occupants, when those occupants construe the Second Amendment in a manner that denies citizens an individual right to arms? When those occupants uphold as Constitutional laws that devalue U.S. citizenship and tell citizens they must beg Chief Serpents like Sebastopol's Gordon Pitter for their permission to pack a gun in a public place for lawful self-defense? When those occupants, while guarded with armed guards paid for by taxpayers, uphold unconstitutional laws that coerce citizens to circulate in public as unarmed, vulnerable prey, without legal or financial recourse against civil authority, when civil authority fails to protect them while not letting them protect themselves? [Not I!]
When, if ever, will virulently pissed off citizens storm that "abode" and confront its occupants face-to-face about Liberty?
195. A true, deep love of Liberty, coupled with a faithful adherence to the Bill of Rights, would eliminate many of Mankind's major political-legal problems. Such an attitude would create a firm foundation for safety in society and an excellent basis for a long term, mutually rewarding, Citizen-Civil Authority relationship. Sadly, however, too many in and out of civil authority lack such an attitude. Too many think the Founders, the Framers, and the Ratifiers are old prune faces reduced to dust who are irrelevant by over two hundred years. To exacerbate matters, too many erroneously believe that they are smarter than the Framers, or they are not duty bound to adhere to the Framers' framework. There is, however, a direct relationship between how far civil authority undermines the Bill of Rights and our current major political-legal problems. To the extent that civil authority and Authoritarian Elitists persist with perverting language to undermine the Bill of Rights, it is inevitable that those who value Liberty will be forced to confront reality starkly. When that happens, many will roll up their sleeves and begin to slit throats. Liberty will be born anew from such courage and conviction, and it will be nurtured with the blood of Patriots and Non-Patriots.

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2005, 06:56:22 AM »
Item..151, you said in part,"....if guns cause crime......".  If i`m not mistaken people cause crime. Guns do NOTHING with out people.
   Come to think of it, i don`t believe i ever saw a gun, minus somebody holding it, ever commit a crime by it self.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2005, 07:18:44 AM »
Quote from: Savage .250
Item..151, you said in part,"....if guns cause crime......".  If i`m not mistaken people cause crime. Guns do NOTHING with out people.
   Come to think of it, i don`t believe i ever saw a gun, minus somebody holding it, ever commit a crime by it self.

 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."



Perhaps you should have read the entire statement to get that part of it into a proper context...

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2005, 11:07:46 AM »
You said," Maybe you should have read the entire statement to get that
    part of it into a proper context." I can`t tell if your being condenscending in what your saying or just trying to clarify your statement.  Just thought i`d ask.  
   As your statement was one long puppy and that part (151) caught my eye, i`ll stick with what i said.  
 Y ours is a statement in totality and i take it your opinion about the content
   so i`m just making a comment about your analogy nothing more.
  Friendly banter is always good, IMO. Not trying to start a war.
   
 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."
" The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2005, 05:31:53 AM »
Savage;

Wasn't meant to be condescending.  But from your statement, I found it hard to believe that you had read the entire sentence containing the portion that you commented upon.

The piece isn't mine, it's the last segment of a 5-part article by a gentleman and 2nd amendment advocate by the name of Peter J. Mancus.

I just posted it for the information and edification of the forum.

I had hoped someone would actually read the series.  It's long, but it's quite good.

Oh, well...

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2005, 08:08:33 AM »
FWiedner: Thanks for the explanation. Your comment now understood.
  No harm.... No foul.

  " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."
" The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."