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Offline charlesr

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Sav. 99 250-3000
« on: September 11, 2005, 04:17:19 AM »
I have found a M 99 in 250-3000 which the owner says was manufactured in 1914.  Stock is in good shape, no cracks or gouges, steel butt plate.  Receiver has been drilled for scope mounts.  Metal finish shows wear and age.

Don't have the serial number yet or the barrel length.
Any idea what such a rifle might be worth?
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2005, 11:48:19 AM »
Exact condition will vary the value quite a bit.  Also the scope holes reduce it.  If its in average condition for gun of that age a $ range might
be $400-600
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2005, 03:31:43 AM »
A Sav 99 in .250 cal is a very desirable combination.   Still can get ammo,
  good deer set up.
  As far as price goes it`s always predicated by Condition.   If you like it,
  go for it. As  Cloudbuster said, $400-$600 would be in the ball park.
  One thing for sure you pass it up and someone else will snatch it up.
   
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2005, 03:34:27 AM »
Ment to say ..........Clodbuster.  Sorry.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2005, 04:42:59 PM »
No sweat S 250.  By the way I have a 99A in Sav. 250.  It's a tang safety in nearly mint.  Took an 8 pt MO deer last fall with it.  Shooting 100 gr Hornady interlock, it took the buck down after 1 big hop/kick.  I love that gun.  No kick and deadly.  Let them have their super mags.  I don't need it to kill a little old whitetail.  Besides, it's soooo purdy!
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2005, 05:56:21 PM »
Charles Newton, the famous ballistician developed the .250/3000 for Savage.  The cartridge was introduced by Savage in their Model 1899 (later changed to simply the "Model 99")  rifle in 1914 and was the first factory cartridge to exceed 3,000 fps (feet per second) using an 87 grain bullet.

I wonder if the owner of that rifle isn't confusing the year the cartridge was first chambered in a rifle (1914) with the year the rifle was manufactured?

To be manufactured in 1914, the rifle would have to have a serial number ranging from approximately 146,500 to 162,000.  If the serial number on the rifle is higher than 162,000... then it wasn't made in 1914.

The Model 1899s of that age, as well as the later Model 99's, came out of the factory with a 1 in 14 ("1:14") twist barrel meaning it possibly will NOT stablilize bullets heavier than 100 grains.

I believe the twist was changed from 1:14 to 1:10 in 1955 when Savage made some design changes in order to introduced the .308 Winchester cartridge in the Model 99.  A Model 99 with a 1:10 twist barrel WILL stabilize the 115 grain and 120 grain .25 caliber bullets.

Rifles with a 1:14 twist also may NOT stablize the longer 100 grain bullets that have polymer tips like the Nosler Ballistic Tip and some of the bonded core 100 grain .25 caliber bullets that incorporate a polymer tip.

For that reason, I'd recommend you try the 100 grain Nosler Partition bullet.   The Partition always gives excellent performance and the bullet's "inner belt" guarantees deep penetration regardless of the bullet's terminal velocity at anything even close to "reasonable" hunting ranges.

Below are some loads I found in one of my old reloading books (circa 1970) for the .250/3000 Savage.  There was no mention in the reloading manual of any problems with the 117 grain bullets in their test rifle which had a 1:14 twist barrel.

These loads may NOT be safe in your rifle.  Reduce these maximum loads by 10% for use as starting loads.  DO NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM LISTED LOADS BELOW:

CARTRIDGE SPECIFICATION:
Bullet diameter:  .257”
Maximum case length:  1.912”
Trim-to-length:  1.902”
Maximum Overall length with bullet:  2.515
Primer size:  Large rifle

TEST COMPONENTS:
Remington cases
Remington 9½ primers

TEST SPECIFICATION:
Firearm used:  Custom Mauser 98
Barrel length:  24”
Twist:  1 – 14”
Groove diameter:  .257”


75 GRAIN BULLET
IMR3031 – Maximum load = 36.0 grains = 3470 feet/per/second
IMR4895 – Maximum load = 37.0 grains = 3300 fps
IMR4064 – Maximum load = 38.0*grains= 3320 fps
IMR4320 – Maximum load = 39.0 grains = 3425 fps

* =  compressed load
Accuracy load:  IMR4320 powder, 35.0 grains = 2975 fps


87 GRAIN BULLET
IMR3031 – Maximum load = 35.0 grains = 3245 fps
IMR4895 – Maximum load = 36.5 grains = 3195 fps
IMR4064 – Maximum load = 37.0*grains= 3200 fps
IMR4320 – Maximum load = 38.0 grains = 3235 fps

* = compressed load
Accuracy load = IMR4064, 33.0 grains = 2815 fps
Factory duplication load = IMR3031, 32.5 grains = 3030 fps
 

100 GRAIN BULLET
IMR3031 – Maximum load = 33.0 grains = 3010 fps
IMR4895 - “ “ = 35.5 grains = 3000 fps
IMR4064 - “ “ = 35.5 grains = 3020 fps
IMR4320 - “ “ = 37.0 grains = 3110 fps

Accuracy load:  IMR3031, 31.0 grains = 2800 fps
Factory duplication load = IMR3031, 31.2 grains = 2815 fps


117 GRAIN BULLET
IMR3031 – Maximum Load = 31.0 grains = 2670 fps
IMR4895 - “ “ = 33.5 grains = 2750 fps
IMR4064 - “ “ = 33.5 grains = 2710 fps
IMR4320 - “ “ = 35.0 grains = 2790 fps

Accuracy load:  IMR4320, 32.0 grains = 2550 fps


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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2005, 03:58:27 AM »
Quote from: clodbuster
No sweat S 250.  By the way I have a 99A in Sav. 250.  It's a tang safety in nearly mint.  Took an 8 pt MO deer last fall with it.  Shooting 100 gr Hornady interlock, it took the buck down after 1 big hop/kick.  I love that gun.  No kick and deadly.  Let them have their super mags.  I don't need it to kill a little old whitetail.  Besides, it's soooo purdy!


 Tang safety.....................Booooooooooo, Just mess-en with ya. My Sav is a 99f also in .250 ( pre-mil) What a great gun.  Nice and light, shoots great. Don`t get any better than that.  Shoots Federal 100 gr shells.
  Got a Sav 300R over the summer, again pre-mil. Looks great, shoots great,  love it.  When i say what a great gun the 99 is you know exactly what i mean. Any more savage talk..........i`m here,
 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."
" The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2005, 04:02:27 AM »
Ron T:  nothing like a post with good information. Especially 99 stuff.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2005, 02:21:10 PM »
S-250  I'm lefty and have to admit that lever safety is a beeatch to get off quickly especially with gloves on.  Anyone got any suggestions other than trading for all tang safety models?
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2005, 04:38:52 AM »
Clodbuster: I`m a lefty as well and as you well know this is a "right" hand world.  For me it`s been more of an irritant problem as opposed  
  to a issue, if you know what i mean?
  The Tang Safety is really a god send for lefties but when it comes to my
  99`s, i just use my left index finger and kind of "reach" under to push the safety back. To solve the glove issue i wear a hand-muff when i`m in a stand or sitting.Those things are great, keep your hands WARM and your free to push away on that LS.  
  As far as wearing gloves when walking around and getting caught footed
  ( gloves on)  Been there done that. Just something you have to live with.
 As far as your comment goes.........trade for all tang safety models.
   Good idea. That way there will be more pre-mil 99`s for me.  
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2005, 05:26:48 AM »
I have a question I just bought a savage 99 R for 325 dollars in about 90 % overall in th 725,000 serial number range what is the value and year of birth caliber is 250-3000 help appreciated
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2005, 09:11:47 AM »
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I haVE A QUESTION  I just bought aq savage 99 R for 325 dollars in about 90 % overall in th 725,000 serial number range what is the value and year of birth caliber is 250-3000 help appreciated


 $325? If it`s in good shape and you like it .....you did good. Any cracks in the wood? Especially around the tang area.   Look at the lever boss for your DOB. Should be a small circle and in it will  be a number and a letter. There `re small so you need to look hard.A-1949, B-1950, and so on.  
 When you find out, come back with that information
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2005, 03:57:58 PM »
5.56er…

The Lever Boss Code letter in the oval will tell-the-tale of your rifle’s date of manufacture.  However, with that serial number, I’d guess that you’ll find the letter “F” in the Lever Boss Code oval.  That would make your rifle’s year of manufacture 1954.

Any Model 99 in .250-3000 is going to be more valuable than the same rifle in any other caliber with the possible exception of a Model 99 in .358 Winchester caliber or possibly a Model 99 in .284 Winchester caliber.

My best guess as to your rifle's value in 90% condition is approximately $450 to $550… depending on what caused it to be in only “90% condition”… so it appears you got an exceptionally good deal.   :grin:


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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2005, 12:07:11 PM »
no it has no cracks in it it has 3f for the lever boss code thanks for the info
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2005, 04:06:55 AM »
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no it has no cracks in it it has 3f for the lever boss code thanks for the info


 Lever boss: F. i`m thinking it`s a 1954 ( DOM)

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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2005, 07:46:28 PM »
Yes... with a "F" Lever Boss Code, 1954 is the year of manufacture.


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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2005, 01:06:33 PM »
Just remembered another feature of the '99 mentioned at the head of this thread.  It has a buckhorn rear sight with front blade.  Does this help date the rifle?

Have been out of commission with an ACL replacement and will be a couple more weeks before I can get back to that shop.  Hope the rifle is still there.
Charles