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Miers looks like a disaster for conservatives...
« on: October 04, 2005, 02:44:54 AM »
Story in World Net Daily today, perhaps someone would like to post it here...

    <www.worldnetdaily.com>

   On the other hand, Newsmax has their contributors divided, with such Christians as Dr Dobson, Marvin Olasky and Jay Sekulo favoring her !

    <www.newsmax.com>


    So...?????????
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2005, 03:22:06 AM »
Bein' as she's from Texas, we get a little more info down here. I heard one of two interviews (first was with her pastor in Dallas, I missed, he said in the 30 yrs he had known her, she was good as gold), the second one with the managing partner of the law firm in Houston that merged with hers in Dallas. She was the managing partner in Big D. This guy said he spent the better part of a year with her working out the details of the merger and got to know her pretty good. They continued the partnership/friendship for years since the merger. He says not to worry; there is no better person for the job. That she is conservative and a strict constructionist that knows how to read the Constitution without adding to it or leaving out anything. Only time will tell. The fact that she is not a judge is a plus with me. It takes all ammo away from the Dems during the confirmation hearings. I really believe GW knows what is at stake and has considered all the angles. He is smarter than anybody gives him credit for. Most conservatives claim to be good Christians. Well I think this is a leap of faith and say we get behind the Prez and go with it. DD
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2005, 04:42:45 AM »
Being from Texas, and from Dallas, I have seen this person in action.

She is a semi-reformed liberal activist.  She has never been married and has a sizable backing in the local gay community.  Her role as his advisor has been to serve as Bush's conduit to "reach across the aisle".

She is a Bush crony being elevated as a political favor to a position of power, so that some skeleton in the Bush closet can stay hidden.  Plain and simple.

I believe that she is a closet liberal, just waiting to get her hands on the reigns of power to step out and make it known.

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2005, 05:36:44 AM »
Seems some people see a liberal hiding behind every Bush.  We'll never know until she hands down some opinions.  The history of unpredicability is not uncommon.  I have an uncle that's never been married and more you  couldn't desire in mankind.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2005, 04:25:17 AM »
Miers may well turn out to be a closet liberal--let's hope not--but it strikes me as interesting that those who have known her best and longest have no qualms.  

It is beginning to look like to me that some of the pundits would rather have a fight than a new justice; time will tell.  

Dubya is a gambler and on this one he is either going to come off lookin like a political fox, or a complete boob.  At this point though, the Dumbycrats don't know what to do.  Whether that is by design, or just the way it's playing out, the libs are a bit disarmed.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2005, 06:33:25 AM »
I hope this is not another David Souter.

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2005, 08:21:45 AM »
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46745
This brings out why any buddy, friend, crony, or confidant shouldn't be put in the Supreme Court. This isn't meant as a criticism of the candidate, but just a matter of form.
Her donations to Hillary Clinton in 2000 should give rise to a few doubts about where her politics are based, recent changes of heart discounted.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2005, 08:48:58 AM »
Which type of conservative are we talking about: business, economic, religious, consitutional or natural resources? Hard to find someone with them all!

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2005, 06:14:47 AM »
Hey, I heard that Harriet packs a gun.  If that's true, she might be all right.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2005, 06:43:16 AM »
Ah, a litmus test.

Dianne Feinstein carries a gun.

She must be all right too...

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2005, 04:45:45 AM »
Fwied, that is why I said,  might be all right.  I've heard that Feinstein has a permit, but I've never heard anyone confirm that or that she carries.

In any case, the context in which I heard that Miers packs, was that she is a believer in the right to keep and bear arms.  To me that is a positive attribute.  I guess I take the approach of looking for encouraging things, whereas you seem to look for negatives in everything.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2005, 08:31:19 AM »
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Fwied, that is why I said,  might be all right.  I've heard that Feinstein has a permit, but I've never heard anyone confirm that or that she carries.

In any case, the context in which I heard that Miers packs, was that she is a believer in the right to keep and bear arms.  To me that is a positive attribute.  I guess I take the approach of looking for encouraging things, whereas you seem to look for negatives in everything.


Touchy, touchy.

And tell me, what is the postive side of elevating an underqualified political crony to a life-long position of unaccountable judicial aristocracy?

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 04:10:09 AM »
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And tell me, what is the postive side of elevating an underqualified political crony to a life-long position of unaccountable judicial aristocracy?

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Who is to say what really qualifies someone to sit on the Supreme Court.  If I were making the pick, I think I would prefer someone with good common sense who is not a lawyer, or a judge.  I think people in the legal profession tend to get hung up on legal technicalities and jargon and fail to keep things in their proper perspective.  I don't think it takes a legal geneous to know what the Constitution says and what is right.  

So as to who is qualified,or not, that depends on your point of view and more important whether that person can get appointed and confirmed.  Then the real test is the test of time.  In my opinion there are and have been some justices on the court who were very unqualified and they proved it time and time again by their decisions.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2005, 08:54:07 PM »
Rosie O'Donnell is a believer in the right to keep and bear arms as well!!
(as long as it is only her body guard that is doing the keeping and bearing)
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2005, 04:05:49 AM »
Most liberals are hypocrits, so what's your point?
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2005, 05:52:08 AM »
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And tell me, what is the postive side of elevating an underqualified political crony to a life-long position of unaccountable judicial aristocracy?

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Who is to say what really qualifies someone to sit on the Supreme Court.  If I were making the pick, I think I would prefer someone with good common sense who is not a lawyer, or a judge.  I think people in the legal profession tend to get hung up on legal technicalities and jargon and fail to keep things in their proper perspective.  I don't think it takes a legal geneous to know what the Constitution says and what is right.  

So as to who is qualified,or not, that depends on your point of view and more important whether that person can get appointed and confirmed.  Then the real test is the test of time.  In my opinion there are and have been some justices on the court who were very unqualified and they proved it time and time again by their decisions.


OK.

Common sense, not a lawyer or a judge, not a legal genius, knows what the Constitution says, appointable, confirmable, can stand the test of time.

So where does Miers fit?

Nobody but Bush knows whether or not she's got any common sense, she's a lawyer and has never been a judge, nobody but Bush knows whether or not she's a legal genuis, nobody but Bush knows whether or not she knows anything about Constitutional law, she may or may not be appointable, she may or may not be confirmed, and nobody but Bush knows whether or not her opinions can stand the test of time because nobody but Bush really knows anything about her.

And that's the point.  Nobody but Bush really knows anything about her.  The American People are just supposed to swallow Bush's load.

You'd allow him to put her in the highest judicial office in the land and subject the American people to her judgement without knowing where she stands on anything.

You may be willing to let Bush take your life into his hands on that basis, but I'm sure as hell not willing to let him take mine without making at least a little bit of noise about it.

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2005, 04:58:53 AM »
So go ahead and make your noise.  

There is absolutely no difference in this appointment and any other Supreme Court appointment.  They all have to go through the process and I doubt that much was really known about most of the present and previous appointees before they went through it.  Isn't that the point of the process?  One thing is for dang sure--a heck of a lot of them turned out to be duds, no matter how well known they were.  It's a crap-shoot and the President gets to do the shootin, or at least the pickin.

This President's head has been in the right place so far on judicial appointments and I trust him a heck of a lot more than the common taters that are shootin their mouths off.  If Miers is going to fall on her face, so be it, but she at least deserves the chance to do so.  Those who know her best have all expressed belief in her abilities.  We'll know soon enough.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2005, 11:37:38 AM »
Miers writings show no aptitude

DAVID BROOKS

Of all the words written about Harriet Miers, none are more disturbing than the ones she wrote herself. In the early '90s, while she was president of the Texas bar association, Miers wrote a column called "President's Opinion" for The Texas Bar Journal. It is the largest body of public writing we have from her, and sad to say, the quality of thought and writing doesn't even rise to the level of pedestrian.

Nothing excuses sentences like this: "More and more, the intractable problems in our society have one answer: broad-based intolerance of unacceptable conditions and a commitment by many to fix problems."

Or this: "We must end collective acceptance of inappropriate conduct and increase education in professionalism."

Or this: "When consensus of diverse leadership can be achieved on issues of importance, the greatest impact can be achieved."

Or passages like this: "An organization must also implement programs to fulfill strategies established through its goals and mission. Methods for evaluation of these strategies are a necessity. With the framework of mission, goals, strategies, programs, and methods for evaluation in place, a meaningful budgeting process can begin."

I don't know if by mere quotation I can fully convey the relentless march of vapid abstractions that mark Miers' prose. Nearly every idea is vague and depersonalized. Nearly every debatable point is elided. It's not that Miers didn't attempt to tackle interesting subjects. She wrote about unequal access to the justice system, about the underrepresentation of minorities in the law and about whether pro bono work should be mandatory. But she presents no arguments or ideas, except the repetition of the bromide that bad things can be eliminated if people of good will come together to eliminate bad things.

Throw aside ideology. Surely the threshold skill required of a Supreme Court justice is the ability to write clearly and argue incisively.

The Miers nomination has reopened the rift between conservatives and establishment Republicans.

The conservative movement was founded upon the supposition that ideas have consequences. Conservatives have founded so many think tanks, magazines and organizations, like the Federalist Society, because they believe that you have to win arguments to win political power. They dream of Supreme Court justices capable of writing brilliant opinions that will reshape the battle of ideas.

Republicans, who these days are as likely to be members of the corporate establishment as the evangelical establishment, are more suspicious of intellectuals and ideas, and more likely to believe that politics is about deal-making, loyalty and power. You know you are in establishment Republican circles when the conversation is bland but unifying. You know you are in conservative circles when it is interesting but divisive. Conservatives err by becoming irresponsible. Republicans tend to be blown about haplessly by forces they cannot understand.

For the first years of his presidency, George Bush healed the division between Republicans and conservatives by pursuing big conservative goals with ruthless Republican discipline. But Harriet Miers has shown no loyalty to conservative institutions like the Federalist Society. Her loyalty has been to the person of the president, and her mental style seems to be Republicanism on stilts.

So conservatives are caught between loyalty to their ideas and loyalty to the president they admire. Most of them have come out against Miers - quietly or loudly. Establishment Republicans are displaying their natural loyalty to leadership. And Miers is caught in the vise between these two forces, a smart and good woman who has been put in a position where she cannot succeed.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/opinion/12909355.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

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