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« on: October 20, 2005, 10:13:32 AM »
Just had to register and say howdy.  Glad to have found ya'll and liked all the positive input I've seen on this forum.  Got me a brand spankin new Buffalo Classic.  Will probably go to the range when I get off here to try it out for the 1st time.  Been going over the forum to see what's being said and thought about it.  So far so good.  Plan on deer hunting with my B.C. which is also now legal during Primative Weapons season here in Ms.  Was wondering if anyone has tried PMC's +P 45-70 in these guns.  Ballistically they ought to be a thumper.  Got a box of Winchester 300Gr. JHP for the 1st run and then I'll go from there.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2005, 10:34:33 AM »
Welcome aboard, glad ta see ya made it over here!! :D I've shot the PMC 350gr in my scoped 45-70 Handi, at 100yds they group nice at 1½", sighted in 3" high, they impact at 200yds about 5" low and group into less than 3". Dunno if the longer barrel of the BC will provide any more velocity with this load since it's designed for the shorter barreled lever guns. My experimenting with H4198 and the 300gr NP show very little difference between the 22" barrel at 2400fps and the 32" barrel at just a few fps faster. So, you'll have ta let us know how the PMC work!!! :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2005, 11:58:18 AM »
Welcome aboard  :D
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2005, 12:14:53 PM »
Welcome to GBO forums, Come around often, stay late, enjoy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2005, 01:41:19 PM »
WOW Just got back from the range and was pleased with the rifle. First shot on the bench hunkerd over and the steel butt plate let me know it was there. Didn't forget about that the rest of the shoot. Put 16 rounds through it and after a little adjustment the best I could was about 1-1/5" to 2" with 3 rnds at 100 yds with the stock sights.  Largest spread was more like 5"-6". Not all that impressed with the rear sight the way you have to adjust it but still can't complain too much. That just means there is room for improvement. Any suggestons on a replacement?
  Anyhow-Looking forward to the next round. See ya'll next time.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2005, 02:19:37 PM »
:D , Grizzx2 glad to have you aboard. You ask for suggestion's for a replacement rear sight for the BC? Boy oh boy, stand by because I am sure the Montanan and others will fill you in on tang sights, Smith Ladder sights, reciever sights, and all the other types of sighting accoutrements for the BC's. I'm happy with my little 22" barrelled 45-70 Handi but those BC's really look nice..have fun with the gun and on this site, it's a great bunch of guys and a great place to be....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2005, 02:39:18 PM »
The WGRS rear sight does leave a lot to be desired when making adjustments, the Williams FP sights are the next step up and the most commonly used here.



http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/highresimage?saleitemid=572292">

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then the Smith ladder...



http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4191.htm

or the Marbles Tang sight...



http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,1942.htm

I'll leave the others for The Montanan to show ya... :wink:
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2005, 02:39:54 PM »
Grizzx2

There are several differant ways you can go as far as period correct style sights from the flip up buckhorn like Tim posted and also provided with my link by Smith Enterprizes.

You'll find the Wesson & Harrington  Long Buckhorn Ladder Sight #8005 that will work much better on the Buffalo Classic for a rear sight.  For $10.00 more you can get the peep slider for the ladder.

Or go delux on the barrel sight with one like this 1879 Spingfield Trapdoor Rifle Sight



1879 Springfield Trapdoor Sight by Pedersoli #USA 473  I liked this one because of the windage.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2005, 01:16:17 AM »
Thanks for all the info. I'm sure that by the time I get through with all this I'll be more confused than ever. No really, I'll just have to take into consideration as to what I'll be doing with my BC as to which sight I'll finally go with not to mention what would work best with my specticled eyes. 1st time I've ever used a rear peep and I liked the results on the paper. Will probably remain with that type of sight unless something better comes along.  MSP RET- preciate the warning. I'll try to be more careful as to what I ask for. :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2005, 02:48:17 AM »
Don't worry about asking anything in the future Grizz, everytime a question is asked and answered on the forum we all gain, either by learning something new or by being able to help someone by passing on information....<><.... :grin:
 


P.S. - Just don't ever ask for an opinion!!! :-D  :-D  :-D
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2005, 03:02:24 AM »
Grizzx2

If I was putting together another Buffalo Classic, and wanted the utmost and sharpest Buffalo Classic around.....  :shock:   Yep, its a beauty contest sometimes.  Well, heres what I would do... it would make it just one heck of a period correct target shooter, and get shock and awe from the on lookers and get ya on a scale of 1 to 10 in the coolness factor at +10 vote.

Leatherwood Optics





Its just the way, I would put one together for me.[/i]
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2005, 06:33:02 AM »
I found this little 9 dollar item helped alot,

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=671478

the one that came with my rifle is a .093 hole, and it is less of a match with the sized of the front sight sheild.  The .050 dia hole matches up quite will with the front shield and make it much easier to line up the aiming points.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2005, 12:20:05 PM »
MSP RET You don't have to worry about me not asking questions because I will probably being asking more than my share. Mainly because "I don't know enough to know that I don't know! You know what I mean?
Montanan I understand about it being a beauty contest at times. Would love to have one for the "Shock and Awe" but usually I wind up someting for "Awe Shucks" Just pickin; don't blame you one bit. I would love to have one of those myself.
bajabill You done good. Got one on order as we speek-so the saying goes.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2005, 12:36:14 PM »
Speaking of Shock and Awe, here's my version in a BC, a .45-120-3¼" Sharps Straight!! Not so much the rifle, but the cartridge for it. :wink:

525gr Beartooth Piledriver
 

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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2005, 12:53:10 PM »
Tim
What ya got the 525-gr Pile Driver loaded to?  I would love to trade you some bullets in the 550-gr Creedmore style.

Grizzx2
Yep, I was awe shucks too.... and now I got one of the purdiest rifles around.  Its not a Buffalo Classic (had 3 previously) any longer but an original 1876 Remington Rolling Block in 45-90.  I really love the center hammer design.  Now understand, your Buffalo Classic is no slump either, it can shoot just as far as my Rolling Block with the proper target or tube sight.

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So many have been taken back by the Sharps craze from the movie Quigley Down Under, that they forgot America's oldest gun maker, and the fact that there was over 900 Thousand of these Rolling Block Rifles made and world wide by the time the Sharps hit the market.
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2005, 01:16:07 PM »
Jon, My only load so far is 45gr of XMP5744, I queried Marshall Stanton of Beartooth if using the Lyman data for the 535 Postell would be ok, he said it was a good place to start. I want to work up a bit higher hoping for 1800+fps, but haven't been to the range for a while, now. PM me your address and I'll send you some to play with. :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2005, 03:36:20 PM »
quickdtoo Shock and Awe looks to be an understatement. Just like you said; Not so much for the rifle but for the cartridge.
Montanan Your right! It is purdy!
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