:grin: Your right Rob, Herb Lenon was a Michigan State Trapper Instructor who instructed new State Trappers and land owners to manage their own predation problems. Herb had a school set up at Hermansville MI between 1937 and 1940 for training the new trappers. With the films he could show them Summer trapping in the Winter and Winter trapping in the Summer as hands on demonstartions would only be one season or another. I had these 8mm films converted to video and made available to trappers since 1993. Dad is probably the only legendary Hall of Fame trapper that can be seen in person in action. Ace PS-Your turn RdFx or anyone!