Author Topic: What happened to the kits? (Read 1611 times)

lakota · « **on:** November 04, 2005, 08:45:39 AM »

I was looking for a. 50 caliber flint lock rifle kit to put together for a winter project. I can't find any kits other than the ubiquitous generic hawken pattern that it seems everyone sells, and ultra high dollar kits from custom makers. any ideas on sources for kits that are fairly cheap (300.00 or less)? I would like to find something like the CVA Mountain Rifle.

Thanks,

Scott

slayer · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2005, 09:03:41 AM »

I was just checking out CVA`s website, they don`t make anything traditional anymore, so many companies are heading that way, it`s a real shame as I like modern and traditional muzzleloaders. Heck, they don`t even make the Hawken anymore. Jack.

crow_feather · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2005, 09:29:00 AM »

Try Traditions, and Dixie Gun Works. Best of luck
C F

lakota · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2005, 10:11:39 AM »

Thanks,
It seems 10 years ago just about anything could be had in kit form. Now all I see are those in-lines,to each his own but I just dont like the looks of those things.

kjg · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2005, 02:57:47 PM »

well now I my have the answer for you have you ever heard of DEER CREEK PRODUCTS? well they have bought the stuff from cva, and are useing maple for thier stock , the possible shop was carrying them but they are not listing them any more he also carries cva and has a large selection of others, his phone number is :765-525-6181. hope this helped you out. kjg

DoggerelPundit · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2005, 07:24:16 AM »

Scott,

Finding something special and non-ubiquitous for under $300 might be a stretch. For a couple of hundred or so more, this one looks pretty good. www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/gunKit.aspx?catId=13&subId=77&styleId=285&partNum=KIT-SOUTHERN-MOUNTAIN-15-40TO54-FLINT

TOTW is a great company to deal with. I have ordered from them several times, always with complete satisfaction. They will spend all the time you need on the phone with your questions, too. I am in the middle of my own winter project from them, a 1770 Bivins Lancaster, and having a great time with it. The parts are all top quality and everything is going together according to plan.

Building a rifle is a lot of work, whether you make a beauty or a beater. Why not go for a beauty?

Neil San Diego · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2005, 10:08:13 AM »

This isn't exactly what you asked about, but it sure is different. I just found this a few days back while rumaging through an online gun-auction site:
http://underhammers.com/muzzleloaderkits.htm
Allen and Hopkins underhammer rifles

Never knew of such a thing but it sure looks interesting. I've been looking for a left handed small cal flintlock for my wife, but I'm giving this some serious thought now.

FYI...

Neil

Birddog6 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2005, 01:22:18 AM »

Why don't you buy a GPR kit ? (Lyman Great Plains Rifle) It's the Best Buy for the Money in a low priced BP mass produced rifle IMHO.
Go to: www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

If you plan on deer hunting I suggest the .54 cal. I have shot thousands of shots from mine & have never had a problem with it. Buy it, build it, learn it & shoot it. And when you get it done, don't go into all this modification stuff & try to make a 1000 rifle out of a 300 one like some guys do on other mass produced rifles.......... it will always be a 300 rifle....... Leave it as it is & learn to make it work & all will be fine. If you want a 1000+ rifle, then buy a parts set from Tracks or someone & build that.

Also keep in mind, the CVA, T/C Traditions, Lyman kits are "Assembly Kits" & can easily be done on the kitchen table at home. These should NOT be confused with the "so called" rifle kits at Tracks, MBS, Log Cabin & etc. These people are selling "Component Sets" to build rifles and IMHO calling them a kit is very misleading, as they are not Plug & Play like some people think......

:grin:

PeashooterJoe · « **Reply #8 on:** November 09, 2005, 02:17:32 PM »

Try TVM, somebody told me about a sale last week, they have a word of mouth sale on the Tenn poor boy squirrel kit. $320 including shipping, (662) 286-5014 this was in October. Good Luck and keep us updated.

kjg · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2005, 02:32:42 AM »

That would be Tennessee valley manufactureing and a good guy to do buisness with. kjg

hunter58 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:12:34 AM »

Not sure this site carries anything of interest to you, but check it out.

http://northernrifleman.com/tab1/store/category/7vv9/Muzzleloading_Firearms_Kits.html

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2005, 02:35:40 PM »

I'll agree with kjg, give Deer Creek a call. Their Deer Creek Rifle is less than $189 + s&h percussion, about $20 more for flint. It is basically the old CVA Mountain Rifle. They bought the barrel making equipment from Douglas Barrels when that outfit dropped black powder barrels. From what I hear, they are as good as, or better than Green Mountain barrels. They also make the Mowrey rifles, a mule ear rifle and the Hopkins & Allen underhammers. All are in kit form, "98% inletted -- parts in the white." (from their catalog.)

Deer Creek Products
P.O. Box 246
Waldron, Indiana 46182

765-525-6181, 765-525-9595 fax

Let us know what you end up with!

-WH-

Additional info - Longcruise of this forum built one of their rifles and wrote a report on it, with photos: http://www.mikeswillowlake.com/deer_creek_rifle.htm

kjg · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2005, 05:18:33 AM »

hey thanks winter hawk its nice to have someone agree with you from time to time, I'm hoping to get some of their items this year, and build a few of their offerings for next spring have to have somthing to do.kjg

lakota · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2005, 05:34:01 PM »

Thanks for the info on Deer Creek.

After finding out that the Austin&Halleck flint lock Mountain Rifle that I had my eye on was a wash(it had a 1-28" twist) I had settled on the idea of a Lyman GPR flint lock kit, but that Deer Creek rifle is a dead ringer for the old CVA Mountain Rifle. I think that I may go that route.

I'll let you know what happens...

Scott.

Two Bears · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2005, 05:53:37 AM »

I bought a Pedersoli blue ridge kit in a .50 off the internet from Cabelas,
I think $300
They shoot great. You can get them fron Dixie too as a frontier which is the same rifle.

ButlerFord45 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2005, 03:30:23 AM »

Thompson Center Hawken http://www.foxridgeoutfitters.com/detail.cfm?section=16&subsection=149,169&product=3431

SuperstitionCoues · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2005, 06:11:19 AM »

I have had really good experience with the Lyman GPR kits. I have built a 50 and a 54 caliber rifles, and each has worked out just fine.

I don't know how "traditional" you want to be about it, but one thing I really like with the GPR is how easily I can mount a peep sight on it. Means increased sight radius, turning a RB rifle into a very accurate deer and javelina weapon. It is almost as accurate as one of my scoped centerfire rifles.

Assembly is easy and "doable", with a minimum of modification. Look for them at www.midsouthshooterssupply.com.