I'm about to get enough

[bladerunner]

I shot my 223 and my 243 superlight again today....the 223 is still shooting 3-4 inch groups and the 243 is getting consistently WORSE.....now shooting about a 7 inch group   :shock: .....I'm prolly gonna run the barrels on ebay,at least the 270 ultra comp and the 243 superlight just because they sound "special" and somebody will most likely bid more than they are worth.....not really wanting to rip anybody off,but if they do it to themselves,oh well.......



I REALLY wanted to love these rifles,but i've done more work on this thing than any other rifle i've ever owned and it shoots the WORST,just ain't right  

[myarmor]

I thought both your 223 and 243 are Superlight model barrels, right?
You are aware that they are the most finicky, so don't let these 2 barrels leave a bad inpression for you. If you want to sell them on eBay that's ok, just use half those funds to buy 2 regular contour or bull barreled 223's and 243's  :wink:
Sorry for the frusteration, don't give up bro  :toast:
-Aaron

[bladerunner]

Actually,the 223 is a standard contour....the 270 doesn't shoot well either (although better than the other 2) the 223 was "fitted at the factory,as was the 270 U/C and you can take off the fore-arm and they both have play   :evil:  :shock:

heck,I've gotten tired of workin on 'em,I'm sure some are great,but mine aren't.....maybe it's the receiver?

I just want a moa or close shooter.......thinkin about tryin a savage next....not the single shots,but the bolt gun with accu-trigger

I'm really VERY dissapointed,Aaron,I've been patient and optimistic,but it ain't coming together for me.....I've put the O-ring on 'em,flitzed until I'm sick of it and even sent the 243 back to the factory......kinda at the end of my rope......maybe I should try another one and see if it's any better,but I've shot about $150 dollars worth of ammo tryin to straighten THIS one out....most I ever had to shoot with ANY other rifle was a box  

[myarmor]

I used to shoot nothing but bolt action rifles. When I bought my 223 Ultra, I was so frustrated. When it shot-it shot. When it didn't shoot it shot bad.
 :oops: Turns out it was mostly my fault :oops:  :-D
Shooting these little single shots is a different world than the bolts. You have to shoot them different. I am glad I stuck with it though, cause they are a ton of fun and teach you a LOT about your skills as a marksman. All your error seems to be magnified with these little guns, as compared to bolt actions. Or at least in my case it was.
 Not to mention the cost is easy.
I'm not doubting your shooting skills my friend, so please take no offense. You have probably shot longer then I have.
I hope you give them another try, cause they can shoot. It just seems to take a lot sometimes, either from the preperation or from the shooters mentality.

[bladerunner]

Aaron,no offense taken,bro.....heck it may very well be at least partly my fault,but the only reason I bought a handi to begin with was it was the lightest gun I could find and I liked the way it felt and looked....wasn't really looking for a challenge or a start in gunsmithing  :-D  :-D

Bolt guns shoot well for me,and i'm not much of a range type person,I like to plink with my 22's to stay sharp and shoot my "deer rifle" enough to stay sharp,but I'm not looking to compete,just to hunt and have the confidence that if a 250 yard shot presents itself,at least the GUN is capable of it.My handi in my hands is not capable,but with a bolt,they better be RUNNING   :grin:

I may buy a sportster in 17hmr or something,but the handi,I believe,is gone.......I may buy another one sometime,heck,I may just have a lemon

[Stan in SC]

I don't understand your problem probably because my .243 Superlight shoots so doggone good.I use 100 grain Remington green box and consistently gets 2" groups at 100 yards.I've killed several deer and one coyote with it.
One thing I did that seemed to help a lot was to put a Survivor butt stock on it.I found that the pistol grip allowed me to hold steadier and tighter to my shoulder than the regular stock.Add to that it just looks good on the little rifle.
I sincerely hope that you get what works for you.

Stan

[Mac11700]

Actually,the 223 is a standard contour....the 270 doesn't shoot well either (although better than the other 2) the 223 was "fitted at the factory,as was the 270 U/C and you can take off the fore-arm and they both have play Evil or Very Mad Shocked

Matt...the 270 has play as fitted from the factory?...Which way...front to back...side to side...or both?...This isn't right...and knowing this...I would be calling Gordon at NEF C/S and asking for a call tag to send it back and be fitted correctly.

I know you've done a-lot to make them shoot good...but getting a sloppy fit from NEF on a new barrel isn't something you should have to deal with.They will make it right if they are made aware of the situation.As to your Superlite 243....from everything I've read here on them...they can be the most stubbon rifles to get to shoot accurately....

Call NEF for the call tag...and send it back to them..while you got them on the phone...explain the situation with the 243 as well...they may have you send it back too to check and or replace...it can't hurt...ya know.,.

Good Luck with them

Mac

[Broken-arrow]

I don't understand your problem probably because my .243 Superlight shoots so doggone good.I use 100 grain Remington green box and consistently gets 2" groups at 100 yards.I've killed several deer and one coyote with it.

Not trying to criticize anyone, but 2" groups from a .243 is not "doggone good". The .243 winchester is a fine deer round, BUT proper shot placement is critical. And 2" groups @ 100yds from the bench doesnt make for good bullet placement in a hunting situation.
   Bladerunner, I know how you feel, I went through the same thing with a .223 bull bbl, and a .308.  I've also shot several other centerfire handis that belonged to friends and none of them showed acceptable hunting accuracy.  There are guys on this forum who claim to have umpteen barrels and all shoot MOA or better. I say they are either really lucky or full of BS. Don't know which. :money:

[Mac11700]

Not trying to criticize anyone, but 2" groups from a .243 is not "doggone good".

BA...it is to him...and since he has already taken several deer and 1 coyote with it..how is it not.? We all have different levels of acceptablity..and as long as he is happy with it...so much the better...Granted...you or I wouldn't be happy with it..but he has accepted it and is confident in it..Where's the harm???

There are guys on this forum who claim to have umpteen barrels and all shoot MOA or better. I say they are either really lucky or full of BS. Don't know which. Money / Two Cents

Yup...a bunch of us have Handi's that are tack drivers..and a bunch don't either...I've always said I have been one of the lucky ones...and give Thanks everyday for it too....and I know it's hard to believe it..but sometimes that's just the way life is...after all...didn't your 308 barrel turn out to be a much better shooter for someone else than what you could get out of it?  There are just way too many factors to try to figure out why sometimes...at least for me anyways...so..in the meantime...I'll just keep doing what I have been doing...and giving Thanks to show ^Him^I mean it..

Mac

[Broken-arrow]

...after all...didn't your 308 barrel turn out to be a much better shooter for someone else than what you could get out of it?

Yes Mitchell says that barrel shoots decent on his receiver and I dont doubt that it does. But that remark sums up what irks me and lots of others who have been on this forum.  :x
  You say i'm a quitter, or I dont know how to shoot, or I never found the right load or I'm not smart enough to check the scope and or mounts, or about a dozen other things that put the blame on the shooter and not the quality of the gun or lack of.

[Norseman112]

Broken Arrow,

I don't think Mac was trying to offend you, I think he was just trying to express  there are different ways to make the handi rifle more accurate.
Now I do have a couple of hand rifles because I like single shot rifles and mine are sub MOA if I do my part . I had to work on them to get them there and I did have some days I was frustrated, but I am glad I kept them because they are a joy to shoot. Well for me they are anyway. Hey I understand if someone gets frustrated and they want to try something else. When people here list the many things as to why the rifle may not be performing the way someone wants it  to. Its not to be little anyone I can assure you. Its merely they are just trying to help a fellow shooter.

John

[Stan in SC]

Broken Arrow,
Where did I say "from a bench"?I don't remember that part.My practice for hunting is to shoot just like I was in a hunting situation.At 64 I think I am pretty doggone good getting 2" groups offhand but then again I am somewhat prejudiced.Try it when you get there and call me.Thanks.

Stan

[quickdtoo]

My father quit hunting at 76, four years ago, his requirement was to hit a paper plate at 75yds, has been for as long as I can remember, he's killed a lot of deer and elk in his life time and I doubt he even knows what moa means and could care less, and for all intents and purpose, makes little difference. 2moa would be excellent accuracy by his standards and plenty good enough, even for a .243!!

[Broken-arrow]

Sorry bout that Stan in SC. I guess I just assumed you meant from the bench, because thats the way most guys check the accuracy of their guns.   2" groups shooting offhand is some pretty dang good shooting with any rifle.

[Mac11700]

...after all...didn't your 308 barrel turn out to be a much better shooter for someone else than what you could get out of it?

Yes Mitchell says that barrel shoots decent on his receiver and I don't doubt that it does. But that remark sums up what irks me and lots of others who have been on this forum.  :x  
  You say i'm a quitter, or I don't know how to shoot, or I never found the right load or I'm not smart enough to check the scope and or mounts, or about a dozen other things that put the blame on the shooter and not the quality of the gun or lack of.

 
Sheeeeese.... :eek: Talk about being irked.....BA...could you please show me on this thread where I said anything like what your refereing too?...
 
You really need to read & think before typing Bro...Nothing was inferred..nothing was eluded too other than a well known posted fact...and heck...I even agreed with you on it on the accuracy aspect of it...I didn't say I knew why your barrel wouldn't shoot for you...I said

I've always said I have been one of the lucky ones...and give Thanks everyday for it too....and I know it's hard to believe it..but sometimes that's just the way life is...after all...didn't your 308 barrel turn out to be a much better shooter for someone else than what you could get out of it? There are just way too many factors to try to figure out why sometimes...at least for me anyways.

I'm really sorry you couldn't get it to shoot good...but..even back then you were advised by several folks to send it back...but you elected to sell it off...and have been complaining about it ever since...
 
Bladerunner...call and ask for Gordon...explain nicely what the situation is...and I'm sure they will offer to help...remember to ask for a call tag...and send it back to them...include a letter to Jon.the gunsmith in the box..explain what the problems are..and I'm quite sure they will make it right for you...NEF may not build the best rifles for everyone...but they do have one of the best Customer Service departments going... and will bend over backwards to help...
 
 
Mac

[bladerunner]

Callin NEF tomorrow....errr...today at this point......I just hate to be without the rifle forever again.This is the second time they've had it for the same thing.....I'll prolly sell off two barrels and buy another rifle......I'm planning on keeping the 223 standard IF they can get it to shoot..........may buy more barrels another time,but for now it kinda has to prove itself "worthy" of more money spent on it....still pretty bummed about it

[Mac11700]

I don't blame you in the least for being bummed out about it....not 1 bit...and hopefully it will be worth the extra time and effort to you when they are fixed correctly..

Mac

[mt3030]

bladerunner:

Sorry to hear of your problems. Hope they work out OK for you. Poor grouping and failure to eject were the reasons I gave up on my Handis in 243 and 308. Just too much tinkering time when I wanted to shoot and hunt. Even with the new style extractors available, I have no desire to start down that path again. I tried two of each of those calibers, finally picked up a couple used Remingtons for not much more in cost. And they really shoot good!! Have never looked back. Some shooters have great luck with those calibers; it's just a crap shoot if you are going to have smiles or problems.

Wally