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Offline FWiedner

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Desire to bear arms must be changed
« on: November 25, 2005, 09:03:01 AM »
Public's desire to bear arms in America must be changed

I find Charley Reese to be entertaining and thought-provoking. However, I must adversely comment on the closing paragraph of his column of Nov. 7 ("Finally, a law that levels playing field for American gun manufacturers").

While I am a fervent advocate of gun control, I approve of the new law which shields gun manufacturers from lawsuits brought against them because of those who misuse their products.

Reese points out that no one has sued Ford for any nefarious after-sale use of its cars and this seems to be an apt, logical analogy. My differences with him are in his final sentence: "Even if you don't wish to own a firearm, you should join the National Rifle Association and defend the Second Amendment against those who want the government to have a monopoly on force."

Do I want the government to have a monopoly on force? You betcha! Those we elect and appoint to protect us need to hold all the cards. The time at which officialdom might abuse such a monopoly is miniscule when compared to the daily slaughter of Americans by Americans throughout the land.

I am a relatively new American, having migrated from Britain in 1965, and becoming an ardent American citizen in 1976. I realize that the desire to bear arms is a matter going back to the founding of the nation and is deep in the soul of most Americans in a way which I cannot feel or understand.

This right will not be changed easily or overnight. But it must change in the fullness of time. The presence of semi-automatic weapons in the hands of the public and the general ease with which current gun laws are circumvented is counter productive to a people seeking public safety and mutual respect.

John Paul - Jackson

http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=4159822

*FW Note:

Every citizen is entitled to his or her own opinion on any given subject.  This gentleman is a naturalized citizen.

Coming from England, he obviously was not informed of the 80-million some-odd persons in Europe, and more than 70 million people in China who were disarmed and murdered by their own governments during the 20th century.  20 million of those were just across the channel from his birthplace.

Be aware that this attitude is being imported into our nation.  From every direction.  Be prepared to refute and to fight the results of such persons acting on their foreign and perverse beliefs that the state should be omnipotent.

This specific outlook has facilitated the deaths of millions of innocent people.

Government and it's agents must never again have a monopoly on the use of armed force.

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 09:35:47 AM »
I wonder if he still thinks this way after Katrina hit NO  :roll:

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 01:17:53 PM »
I think he stated it plainly - "I realize that the desire to bear arms is a matter going back to the founding of the nation and is deep in the soul of most Americans in a way which I cannot feel or understand. "  He will never understand it or what it means for us.  Period.  Mikey.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2005, 04:15:41 AM »
It is worth pointing out that the American right to keep and bear arms has precedent in British law.  See the extraordinary discussion of this topic in the Department of Justice paper published December 2004 (or 2003, my memory is indefinite) on the question of the interpretation of the second amendment.  Thus, this naturalized American citizen, former Brit, didn't even understand his own nation's history.

Basically the second amendment empowers individuals as against the state or against elites, nobles, Lords, etc.  The impetus to discard the second amendment by the masses is akin to saying "Please, take away my vote!  Please, emasculate me!  Please, put all power in the hands of the powerful and those of high status!"  It is gallingly idiotic and short sighted.  On what view of history can one willingly discard one's right to keep and bear arms?!!!

I understand that Diane Fienstein employs an armed body guard who shadows her to protect her.  As a US Senator, I think I am not out of bounds saying Diane Fienstein is a member of the noble class, the powerful in the United States.  Thus, what we are looking at is the nobles disarming the serfs, the commoners, the weak . . . and to what purpose?  Hell, the nobles and powerful don't have to worry, they are above the law anyway.

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2005, 10:25:41 AM »
Mikey wrote:
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" He will never understand it or what it means for us. Period.


I think this is a red herring as far as this topic is concerned.

I too was born elsewhere, and grew up with the 'British' culture all around me. Each morning, to begin our day at school, we faced the photo of Queen Elizabeth and sang God Save the Queen. Our national flag had a Union Jack in its corner.

We were taught to be proud of our British heritage, which was so obviously a civilizing influence for us (and the world).

And we were taught to look upon the USA as, a useful trading partner, and a rambuctious, semi-friendly, though slightly scary neighbor.

Because of our "Britishness" we were actually more civilized and stable than the US. Our society was quietly, but obviously, superior to the US. Perhaps not materially superior, but certainly morally and culturally.

For the record, Canada is the country I grew up in.

And, unlike our English born friend who wrote the piece above, I understand completely! I 'get' it about the Constitution. I 'get' it about government having a monopoly on force. And I hate that concept.

Aside from it being (at least in the US) unconstitutional, it is unnatural! Humans have a basic, inherent, natural, unquestionable right to defend their own lives! From who, or whatever, may threaten them.

A government may have a general duty to 'protect' society, and occasionally individual citizens, but each person has an unassailable and instinctive right/need to protect him/herself.

I might point out that there are people who were born, raised, and live in the U.S. - people whose families have been part of this country for generations, who have the same lack of understanding about the right to bear arms (which is much more than the 'desire' to do so) as does our English born friend above.

In a very general way, think East Coast, think Southern Californina, think Kennedys, Feinsteins, Bradys. Why do they not 'get' the core beliefs and values represented by the right to bear arms?

It ain't because of where they were born. Or a lack of exposure to the U.S. Constitution. Or being a subject rather than a citizen. (When I was growing up in Canada, I was considered a 'subject' of Her Majesty, far away in England, rather than a citizen of Canada... bizarre!)

It is, as suggeted by 'alsatian' a matter of 'nobility' versus 'serfs' or 'commoners'.

And that, I think, is simply fear. Paradoxical fear. On one hand they fear that the commoners aren't confident and responsible enough and must be 'protected' from themselves, and on the other hand they fear that the commoners are confident and responsible, and 'they' must protect themselves from independent commoners. (Ironic isn't it that 'they' believe in the right to be armed -or hire armed people- to protect themselves against others, yet don't belive others have the same right to protect against 'them'.)

It might be amusing, if it weren't so dangerous.

Some might actually feel sorry for people with this belief paradox -it must be hard on one's brain to have these conflicting beliefs. I'd consider feeling sorry for them, if only they weren't the people and class in power.

Anyway, bottom line... It is obvious to me that people who believe in government having a monopoly on force can be just as "American" by birth, as any on this forum, and people who 'get' the concept of the right to bear arms can be as foreign as geography can make them.

It is not just the geographical land mass on which you drew your first breath that gives you an apreciation of, and drive for freedom (though that can, and does contribute), it is an inherent, internal, pulsing recognition that you have an absolute right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is just so damn human!

And I, as an ex-pat Canadian, and inhabitant of this planet gratefully thank the creators of the US Constitution for putting that right down on paper for the world to see!
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2005, 11:11:47 AM »
Tallyho;

You take all of the fun out of cultural stereotyping and inflammatory rhetoric...

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2005, 02:18:58 PM »
Sorry, must be my Canadian upbrining! :wink:
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