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Offline 257Robt

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« on: November 26, 2005, 01:15:04 AM »
I should put this question in the muzzleloader section, but there are no responses under this question.

Does anyone have any experience with the TC Katahdin muzzleloader? Do the ports make it much louder and can the barrel have a scope mount put on it? What is a sensible range with the shorter barrel? I was going to get an Encore several weeks ago and things feel through but now I can get one and I want to make sure I am getting the right one for my needs.
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Re: TC Katahdin
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2005, 02:09:21 AM »
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I should put this question in the muzzleloader section, but there are no responses under this question.

Does anyone have any experience with the TC Katahdin muzzleloader? Do the ports make it much louder and can the barrel have a scope mount put on it? What is a sensible range with the shorter barrel? I was going to get an Encore several weeks ago and things feel through but now I can get one and I want to make sure I am getting the right one for my needs.


I don't have experience with the TC Katahdin muzzleloader, so I did not respond. But in the Katahdin rifles, the ports make it much louder.   :eek:
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 11:53:10 AM »
You shouldnt see much of a performance change from the shorter bbl.  Blackpowder is very energetic and the pressure spike occurs rapidly at the beginning of the firing cycle.  This means bbl length is not really important with BP as it is smokeless.  But either way, at the distances you could probably shoot anyways, you should have no problems reacging out and touching your target.

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 01:20:31 PM »
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You shouldnt see much of a performance change from the shorter bbl. Blackpowder is very energetic and the pressure spike occurs rapidly at the beginning of the firing cycle.


Just wondering where you got this data from?  Your comment is counter to conventional wisdom about black powder.  Are you talking about the replica powders, or true black powder?
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2005, 12:41:27 PM »
[quote="Keith LJust wondering where you got this data from? [/quote]

Sam Fadalas Blackpowder Handbook is the source.  Ill clarify a bit so we understand each other a better.

The common myth is that BP "Explodes."  We know this is not true, that it pressure spikes just like smokeless powder does, only the pressure spike happens quicker.  Now, Mr. Fadala used data from Lyman to show an example.  I cant remember the exact bbl lengths involved, but I believe they were quoted at 22 inch and 32 inch.  Using 100 grains of 2f BP and a patched ball the 22 inch bbl produced about 140 fps less velocity.  This is pretty considerable, but Ill explaine my above comments in a second.  Continuing on, he says that granulation also plays a big factor.  Using the same 2 test guns and loads, but switching to a different granulation produced only a 60 fps deviation.  And 60 fps, considering a 10" longer bbl, really is not the big a deviation.

Now, the reasons I say you should not really see too much of a performance drop is this.  The standard Encore ML bbl is 24".  Im not sure what the Katahdin is, but I can only assume somwhere between 18 and 20 inches.  I am assuming that someone purchasing one of these bbls intends to use it in terrain that limits use from short to moderate ranges, since a longer tube would be of no kind of hinderance in open terrain (thus my "at the distances you could probably shoot" comment.)  Thus at ranges from 0-200 yards, using a magnum powder charge of 150 gr, there should be only a moderate drop in bullet impact, and negligable difference in bullet terminal performance (since the bullet is most likely to go in and out anyways.)

Of course, most of yhis is simply an opinion.

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2005, 01:02:33 PM »
Lyman's BP handbook starts with a 26 inch barrel in 50 cal.  That may just burn some charcoal.  The only Encore barrel I see on TCs sight that matches a Katahdin is 20 ported inches.  My guess is that it will be shooting out lots of unburned powder if loaded to hunting charges.  Pellets with a hot primer may burn most of it, but loose powder most likely will not in that short a barrel.  But I bet the light show is great from that short ported barrel!
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2005, 03:00:36 PM »
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My guess is that it will be shooting out lots of unburned powder if loaded to hunting charges. Pellets with a hot primer may burn most of it, but loose powder most likely will not in that short a barrel. But I bet the light show is great from that short ported barrel!


I shoot a 15 inch  209x50 encore and had a 14 inch 209x50 contender barrel. The encore barrel is shooting 90 grs of FFg black powder and the contender I was using pyrodex p. both shoot well and gives a nice lilght show but most rifle calibers in a short barrel does as well.  I do not get a lot of unburned powder on the bench. you will be suprised how fast black powder burns.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2005, 01:46:24 AM »
I have been shooting black powder all my life and know how fast it burns.  In a 15 inch barrel 90 grains of ff will perhaps half burn.  If you shoot it over snow, or over a sheet you will see lots of unburned powder on the ground.  I wouldn't expect it on the bench, but a yard or two downrange it will start hitting the ground.  You will burn more with fff but need to be careful.

When I work up loads for smokepoles I start light and add more powder until the groups start opening up.  That happens when around the point where the gun is not consuming all the powder.  If you are happy with your load use it.  But I bet you will get nearly the same velocity with better groups in a lighter load.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2005, 12:17:11 PM »
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My guess is that it will be shooting out lots of unburned powder if loaded to hunting charges.  Pellets with a hot primer may burn most of it, but loose powder most likely will not in that short a barrel.  But I bet the light show is great from that short ported barrel!


 :D  With the 209 primers I would guess there is less unburnt powder than you may think.  Some people say the standard 209 is TOO hot.  Im not saying there will be NO leftover powder, nor am I saying there is absolutely no change in velocity, but Id bet money the difference from a 20 Katahdin bbl and a standard 24" bbl is not that drastic.

Either way, Id bet your right about there being a nifty light show  :wink:  
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