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Offline Fortney

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« on: September 22, 2005, 09:41:15 AM »
Which surplus rifles are of this caliber?

Why do the old surplus rifles have so much wood around the barrel? If it's for barrel protection. why would that be necessary?

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2005, 01:13:06 PM »
which 6.5? 6.5mm bore rifles where used by different countries in different cartiridges including Sweden, Italy and Japan. as for the wood part of it is barrel protection, but it also makes for an excellent fighting staff and the added weight would also probably improve the accuracy

i assume you are referring to 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser, which was issued in the Model 96 & 38 Mausers, the Norwegian Krag and the AG42b Ljungmann autoloader. all are good rifles, well made and very accurate and not too hard to find or overly pricey
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2005, 04:08:36 PM »
Thanks.
I am looking for an accurate mil-surp rifle in a caliber less than .30, 7.62, or 8mm since I already have a .30-06 Ruger M77.

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2005, 08:42:11 PM »
then you want the Swedish M96
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2005, 12:01:58 PM »
If your looking for a hunting rifle I'd go to a gun show and see how a M96 swede with the 29" barrel feels/handles to you it may find the gun too long so the M38 with the shorter 23" barrel may fit your needs.  But like Kevin says the 6,5 X 55 swede M96 is a very accurate rifle.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2005, 03:51:21 PM »
Thanks for the help. We have a gunshow coming to town in mid October...

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2005, 03:07:24 AM »
you might also want to consider oneo f the many sporting rifles built in this caliber, like the M70 Featherweight or one of Tikka's offerings. Husqvarna also sold commercial Mausers in 6.5x55


hey bigbill, why the username change?
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2005, 10:05:42 AM »
Just one mans opinion.  My first winter in Canada I damn near froze so I went out and bought an old military rifle to work on to give me something to do beside complain.  I refinished the metal and wood and liked it so well I bought another.  I now have 3 of the Swedish mauser M96s and love them.  They're really quite accurate and most are in excellent shape.
I even purchased the Remington Classic the year they made it in 6.5x55.
It's quite a caliber.  Best wishes.

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2005, 06:01:54 PM »
all that wood is not there to protect the barrel. it is there to keep the rifleman from burning his hands on the hot barrel. thats why they call them handgguards. :-)

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2005, 11:20:47 PM »
Additional countries using 6.5 mms were Belgum, Serbia and Greece. The first two were Mannlichers with rimmed cartridges, both of the same dimensions except for the thickness of the rim. The latter also a Mannlicher and the one everybody know as the stocked to the muzzle carbine, but in long barrel configuration. The cartridge was a rimless version of the first two. The cartridge used by Sweden and Norway develops the highest velocity, but the Norwegian rifle was a Krag and probably not up to modern ballistics, hence the lower velocities in ammo loaded by most of the big companies.
Bold talk from a one eyed fat man.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2005, 07:44:33 PM »
You can check the condition of a M96 bore by reading the gold colored circle on the right side of the butt stock.  The bores are graded for accuracy potential.  The Swedes periodically called the rifles back to the arsenal and checked them for accuracy.  The more accurate ones had their bolt handles turned down and a scope mounted on the left side of the receiver so they could serve as sniper rifles.  Of all the WWII rifles the Swedish mausers are one of the best.  Best wishes.

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2005, 02:14:13 AM »
Maybe I'm just projecting my own desire onto someone else but if you have some time to play with the Japanese Type 38 in 6.5x50 may be some serious fun. :grin:
Sure, they aren't nearly as powerful as the 6.5x55 in standard loading.
But the Arisaka action was the strongest bolt action rifle action in the world as PO Ackley proved when he failed to blow up a T99 in 7.7 Japanese when the SMLE, Springfield, P14 and M98 had blown.
As such the 6.5x50 should be able to be loaded to significantly higher velocities, probably in the realm of the 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenauer.
The T38 in 6.5 Jap was also a popular rifle amongst Aussie snipers when they fought the Japanese in New Guinea during WW2.
They used captured rifles and ammo for sniper rifles because they were accurate, low recoiling and had much less muzzle flash that the heavy recoiling, loud and easily detectable(but equally accurate) No.1 Mk3s and No.5 Mk1 Jungle Carbines.
I believe Graf has brass for them and Norma makes factory ammo and components.
The 6.5x52 Mannlicher Carcano would be a fun round if not for the fact that many of the rifles are complete dogs and that the bore(while notoriously inconsistant in terms of diameter) is closer to .268", not .264".
Only Hornady make an easily obtainable .268" cal bullet and it's a 160gn RN(from memory) like the famously anaemic military round.
I realise it's to try and overcome the fact that the rifles tend to be very long throated but it really limits the possibilities.
The real pity is that the design is good....it has gain twist rifling and the mechanism should work but I've heard so many tales of cross-threaded barrels and the furniture pushing so hard up against the barrel that it shoots high after 1 shot that unless a REALLY good rifle can be found it's fairly risky. :(
Mind you, a guy at my rifle club loads his with .264" 120gn bullets and says it prints well at 200yds.:|
But hey, an easy accurate 6.5 has to be the M96 6.5x55.
Get one of those if you prefer not to muck around with weird stuff. :D
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2005, 05:06:53 AM »
:roll:  :roll:  :roll: There is just something about Sweds I like, be it the lovely long legged, blue eyed blonds or their fine rifles.

I agree with several of the comments above on the quality of the Swed.  I have owned 40-50 over the years, never had one that didn't perform as expected.  I have turned the barrels, up graded the triggers and safeties and add sporter stocks to many, many rifles.  I never had a customer complain about their Swed.  Most of the folks that I am still in contact with still own their Sweds and would not part with them.

My only regret, I bought two cases (12 guns each) of m38s back in the 60s.  Several were excellent quality.  I sure wish I had them back in issue condition today, but they are out there as sporters somewhere. :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2005, 12:27:47 PM »
Quote from: rockbilly
I agree with several of the comments above on the quality of the Swed.  I have owned 40-50 over the years, never had one that didn't perform as expected.  I have turned the barrels, up graded the triggers and safeties and add sporter stocks to many, many rifles.  I never had a customer complain about their Swed.  Most of the folks that I am still in contact with still own their Sweds and would not part with them.

I concur.
Many M96s came to Oz over the years and a couple of companies had the bolts forged and bent, drilled & tapped them for mounts and restocked them with synthetics(Ramlines & the like).
2 of my mates own rifles like this and they shoot like blazes.
One loads his own and uses Nosler 120gn BTs which I can personally testify are deadly on roos.

Quote from: rockbilly
My only regret, I bought two cases (12 guns each) of m38s back in the 60s.  Several were excellent quality.  I sure wish I had them back in issue condition today, but they are out there as sporters somewhere. :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

I'm feeling a little faint..... :(
Your sporterised GOOD M96s!!  :eek:   :x
rockbilly, there is a bad, hot, brimstone-encrusted place for people like you!!  :evil:
I hope you've repented of those sins. :|  :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2005, 03:41:58 PM »
If'n I was a Swedish military rifle, I'd rather go huntin' as a nice sporter than sit on a shelf gatherin' dust at some collector's house, while visions of dollar signs danced in his head.  :roll:
Bold talk from a one eyed fat man.

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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2005, 04:23:18 PM »
Quote from: Slamfire
If'n I was a Swedish military rifle, I'd rather go huntin' as a nice sporter than sit on a shelf gatherin' dust at some collector's house, while visions of dollar signs danced in his head.  :roll:

Who said they were staying on a shelf!!  :roll:
There's no reason why a scout mount & scope can't be put on them if you reall need a scope. :wink:
That way the standard sights can be put back on.
Otherwise the open sights are quite suitable for Wally the Whitetail and Marty the Moose.  :twisted:
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2005, 10:21:05 AM »
come tuesday wally the whitetail will eat 6.5 lead trown from a customized Krag! it's almost here, it's almost here, 4 more sleeps till i go hunting!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2005, 08:34:52 PM »
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If'n I was a Swedish military rifle, I'd rather go huntin' as a nice sporter than sit on a shelf gatherin' dust at some collector's house, while visions of dollar signs danced in his head.


Me too. The more people who foolishly cut up Swedes, the more value that the ones in my safe gain.:twisted:




Maybe if I take this rifle, lop off  a foot of stock, cut off 6" of barrel, and put a rubber recoil pad on it, and give 'er a couple of coats of polyurethane- nah scratch that, I'll use the stock for firewood and git me one of them newfangled plastic stocks. Yeeehaaah! :drink4:   :sniper:


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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2005, 03:40:13 PM »
That is some good lookin' firewood you have there, I've been stuck with beetle killed southern yellow pine for the past few winters, and boy is it dull, and featureless.  :-D
Bold talk from a one eyed fat man.

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2005, 06:00:45 PM »
I have a Remington 700 Classic in 6.5x55, but the love of my life is the 3 Swedish M96s that I've restored over the last 10 years.  I'm not in favor of sporterizing them, preferring to simply restore them.  As time goes on they're becoming more scarce, and I feel eventually will really increase in value mainly due to their accuracy.  I've never had one that didn't refinish beautifully.  Just one mans opinion.  Best wishes.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2005, 01:05:51 AM »
WAIT.....Don't touch that swede mauser to sporterize it yet!!!!! There are barreled actions at samco they still have M96's and M38's to make great sporters if you have to have one.
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brimic;  Thats a purdy one you got there!!! Its all about the wood you have to have a good wood!!!!! :D  The fiddle back looks awesome too.

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