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Offline rickyp

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« on: June 05, 2005, 11:12:09 AM »
A few years back I remember seeing something about a light weight 45-70 bullet I think from RCBS, I think they called a button bullet.
has any one ever seen one of these?

I am trying to work out a deal for a 15 inch encore barrel  if you guys have any information on this round out of a short tube please let me know.

I want to shoot mostly cast for right now. for now it will be a paper punching barrel. I hope in a year or two I will be able to use this barrel for deer. I am working hard to get MD to open handgun hunting for deer sate wide with shotgun only countys the use of only straight walled cases. how well will cast bullets work on deer?
 I am thinking about trying a 500 gr bullet
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2005, 02:10:56 PM »
I shot a deer a few years ago with my Remington Rolling Block in 45/70 just to break it in.  :grin: Shooting a cast bullet 405 grain with a load that would be in the high trapdoor range of loadings. The bullet went in at a angle at the front shoulder and passed out the rear oposite hind quarter so I would have to believe that a 500 grainer would completely pass through a deer front to back even after hitting bone it did the one I shot it took out 6 inches of rear leg bone and still kept going. Most any load in a 45/70 should be good deer medicine.  With the price of these large slugs casting is the only way to go. Jim
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2005, 02:46:26 PM »
200gr Cast bullets outta my .357 max flat knocks the snot out of deer, A .45-70 Is a much stouter round I'm gonna be useing one this year ( my NEF handie rifle.) I'll let ya know how she dose. :grin:
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2005, 03:04:00 PM »
those "collar button" slugs were made for pistols.I believe they weighed about 150/60 grains.  You could maybe put 3 of them in a 45-70 case for some fun(I wouldn't). You do NOT need a 500 grain bullet to kill a deer with a 45-70.They generate a TON of recoil and don't fly flat at all. I've used 300 to 450 cast bullets to take deer. I used some jacketed 300 and 350 grainers also. The 350's are to hard to open reliably on deer.They kill them but don't do as much damage as the 300's.I have tried "softnosed" cast bullets from an NEI mold that weighs about 420 grains. It is a pointed bullet that does O K when cast from wheel weight but does MUCH better when soft nosed.  This is my third 45-70 barrel.The other 2 were traded off. This one is 15" with a built in brake, 4x Leupold,Pachmyer or composite grips.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2005, 07:41:03 PM »
My take is that 400 grains or so is the natural weight for the .45-70.  Lee makes 457-405-HP which ought to make a great deer killer when cast soft. I've gotten good accuracy at about 1200 fps. Did get some really good 350 GCs from either Bob or his buddy from a Mountain Molds custom that might be worth consideration. That will take a lot more velocity.

Lee 459-405-HP will drive tacks, but it is velocity limited and has a smaller meplat than I would prefer for hunting. That might be a silly objection since I suspect that a half inch hole all the way through will kill any deer who ever lived.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2005, 09:22:19 PM »
Lefty you said 459 HP? I have a Lee 459 HB is that what you meant? All I know is that it is a good bullet. What speeds do you drive them at? I would think if you kept them under 1500 you would be ok? Or do they have to be slower? I load mine with 3031 just into the Marlin Range around 38.5 grains but I may try to up that to 40 grains. My Roller is a 1902 smokeless powder version  with a Green Mountain barrel and Steve Garbe said it was strong enough for the bottom loads in the Marlin range of the loading manuals. I would tend to believe that. I do not hotrod it nor do I want to but I did want a load just a little more than the trapdoor loads the bottom edge of the Marlin range of loads seems to be just fine. Jim
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 08:05:52 AM »
Hey leftoverdj I also have a lee 458- 405 hp and with 35.grns. of 3031 its a tack driver I my self have been thinking of soft lead too what you been loading in yours  My barrel is a 45-70 Katahin the whole package is is a wopping 32' long . kjg
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Offline Kenneth L. Walters

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2005, 04:02:58 PM »
I'm not sure that this is what you were asking about but the collar button bullets were made from moulds introduced, I think, in the 1880s by Ideal, the firm that became Lyman.  As near as I could ever tell, they looked like a collar button (I have no idea what a collar button looked like).  The were cute little things.  I think that there are pictures of them in maybe the 1st Ideal Cast Bullet Handbook or their Centennial Journal.  

I'm pretty sure RCBS never made these.  I'm also pretty sure that Ideal/Lyman hasn't done it in over a century.

Personally for target shooting I prefer SAECO #015.  Weights about 300 grains.  You don't have to drive this hard to get a very accurate load.  Mild recoil.  Accurate.  Ideal for just punching holes in paper (but probably not anything else).
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2005, 10:00:25 AM »
NEI and Rapine mold companies both sell molds for a 45/70 collar button bullet.They are both 150gr. if I remember correctly.Should be fun plinkers or small game bullets.I've thought trying them in my Marlin.Good luck,Jeff Taylor.
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Offline Ed Hill

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2005, 08:18:30 PM »
Well, I hope you're still interested! Here they are:
http://missoula.bigsky.net/western/cbip/b457130.html

Ed
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2005, 02:00:16 PM »
Thanks Ed. I think you just made my wallet a little lighter

I just ordered 200.
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Offline Ed Hill

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2005, 08:08:20 PM »
Guess I need to read these posts a little more often! Please let us know how they work, I keep reaching for the phone, but have resisted so far.

Seems like a 50yd target would be a kick with these light bullrts.
Ed
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2005, 05:38:42 PM »
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