Author Topic: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?  (Read 4926 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Mohawk

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1958
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2008, 11:19:52 PM »
  If you have a large magnum that you use for larger game, and you use it for whitetails on the side I can understand, because, like Redhawk1 said, it is sighted in. Then again, like SHOOTALL mentioned, range can be a factor. Anyone that has a "gun that will knocked them over when hit anywhere in the body", either has no experience or is just making conversation. That is a hunter's education issue, not a caliber-bullet issue. In a handgun, I haven't seen anything over 110grains, regardless of bullet style, stay in a white-tail. The 158 gr .357 even broke the leg as it was exiting the opposite side. And that was not the "deep penetrating" style, actually a self-defense design, the Remington 158gr Semi-jacketed HP, most of the bullet above the cannelure is soft swaged lead. And as far as the "law" is concerned about what you use to harvest your game, how many states have weapon range limits? Is there a law saying you can't shoot at a deer with a .454 at 1,200 yards? Do you need the law to tell you that is obsurd? Muzzle-loader distance? Or, shotgun distances? So why should someone regulate a caliber or ft-lb limit? I'll take a .38 at 20 yds than a .454 at 75, because I know I have steaks and sausage coming.

Offline Redhawk1

  • Life time NRA Supporter.
  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (78)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10748
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2008, 02:15:43 AM »
I'll take a .38 at 20 yds than a .454 at 75, because I know I have steaks and sausage coming.

That is good, you know your limitations, others don't.

Personally I'll take a 454 over that 38 special at 20 yards or 75 yards. Either distance will produce a dead deer. 
The furthest I have taken a deer with a handgun was just under 70 yards, but I practice at 100 yards, and that is my comfort zone.
I prefer shots under 50 yards, that's where the hunting skill comes into play.

My problem with using a 38 special for deer is, when someone says how they kill deer with a 38 special, people with no handgun skills or actual handgun hunting experience or even first time handgun hunters, thinks it is OK to blast at a deer with a 38 special.

I know in the hands of a skilled handgun hunter, the 38 special will kill a deer, but why use such a light round when there are much better choices?
If  you're going to make a hole, make it a big one.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

Endowment Life Member of the NRA
Life Member NA

Offline Mohawk

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1958
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2008, 02:27:02 AM »
  Good point, Red...The .38 is very capable at bow ranges, -40yds. That is a comfort zone,"good wording, btw".

Offline Mohawk

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1958
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2008, 02:33:18 AM »
 why use such a light round when there are much better choices?
Posted on: Today at 04

Because, Red. That's all we had when we needed it.  ;)   

Offline Redhawk1

  • Life time NRA Supporter.
  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (78)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10748
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2008, 03:15:11 AM »
Mohawk, I understand that, but when I am walking in the woods in West Virginia, I carry my 2 .5 inch 454 Super Redhawk.
Makes me feel a lot better than a little 38 special...lol  :D ;D

Now if I only had a 38 special and needed meat, sure I would use a 38 special.
If  you're going to make a hole, make it a big one.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

Endowment Life Member of the NRA
Life Member NA

Offline ButlerFord45

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (10)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1992
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM »
Ethics have nothing to do with the calibre, it has to do with the hunter.  Yes, the 38 is a viable deer calibre used within it's and it's handlers limitations.
Butler Ford
He who does not punish evil, commands it to be done.-Leonardo da Vinci
An armed society is a polite society-Robert A. Heinlein
Only the dead have seen the end of war- Plato
Lord, make my words as sweet as honey
tomorrow I may have to eat them- A lady's sweatshirt

Offline Old Griz

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2030
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2008, 08:47:41 PM »
Well, before guns we killed them with sharp sticks. So I guess a .38 Special would work quite well -- at sharp stick range. But with today's technology I don't have to walk to work; I don't have to store food in a root cellar; I don't have to wash clothes in the creek; and I don't have to hunt deer with a .38.  Except for the life-&-death-survival-&-that's-all-I-have situation, sure it might work, but why do it when there is so much better game getters out there today?
Griz
<*}}}><

I Cor. 2.2 "For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."

Offline Redhawk1

  • Life time NRA Supporter.
  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (78)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10748
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #67 on: December 25, 2008, 04:48:55 AM »
Amen Brother... ;)
If  you're going to make a hole, make it a big one.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

Endowment Life Member of the NRA
Life Member NA

Offline cwlongshot

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (158)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9907
  • Gender: Male
  • Shooting, Hunting, the Outdoors & ATVs
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #68 on: December 25, 2008, 04:55:00 AM »
Its not a matter of if it can or would work. Based on your criteria, NO, I do not consider a 38spl a big game hunting round.

CW
"Pay heed to the man who carries a single shot rifle, he likely knows how to use it."

NRA LIFE Member 
Remember... Four boxes keep us free: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.

Offline Airsporter

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 893
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #69 on: December 28, 2008, 03:30:25 AM »
A long-time hunter and gunsmith friend put it this way:  A deer is about the same size as a human being.  Anything that will kill a person will kill a deer. 

That said, the .38 spec. will certainly do it but is not a 'good choice' if you have a choice.

Offline Old Griz

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2030
  • Gender: Male
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2008, 01:16:55 PM »
A long-time hunter and gunsmith friend put it this way:  A deer is about the same size as a human being.  Anything that will kill a person will kill a deer. 

Maybe so, but if someone blew a hole through my heart and lungs, chances are I'm not gonna run for a few hundred yards and then bleed out. Thar might be a little difference.
Griz
<*}}}><

I Cor. 2.2 "For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."

Offline Mohawk

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1958
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #71 on: December 28, 2008, 01:41:57 PM »
A long-time hunter and gunsmith friend put it this way:  A deer is about the same size as a human being.  Anything that will kill a person will kill a deer. 

Maybe so, but if someone blew a hole through my heart and lungs, chances are I'm not gonna run for a few hundred yards and then bleed out. Thar might be a little difference.


  You'd be surprised, Griz. Seasoned cops have followed many a blood trails.

Offline Cottonwood

  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2780
  • Gender: Male
  • "Capturing the moment, to last a lifetime"
Re: How many of you would agree or disagree with this statement?
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2008, 10:54:15 PM »
I have to agree with Redhawk1 on what he said......


Will it work, probably so... but would it be the best suited for the job, simply no.