hey guys, just thought i'd let you know that it IS possible to get good accuracy out of the 45/410 barrel on the survivor. i just got a new reloader after the other one burned in a house fire. i was going to try 450 mongo, but am not experienced enough reloader and decided to stick with factory brass. i reloaded some ammo and @ 75 yds. you can place a silver dollar over a 5 shot pattern. this load is for TC/Ruger, but i am not having any problems with my NEF so far. i tried many different loads and powders, and finally came up with a load that my rifle shoots amazingly accurate. i also found that if i shoot my gun more than five times w/o giving the gun a rest for about 10-15 minutes, accuracy goes to the dogs (never had that problem with my .308. guess the barrel on the 45/410 heats up faster). these loads shoot a 240 gr sierra LHC projectile at about 1490 fps by the book. if you want the info, let me know.