Anyone make up paper cartridges for fast loading?

[JBMauser]

I get bogged down at cowboy action matches rushing to reload as soon as I finish a stage and try to get in the cure for the next.  A fellow cowboy told me of a guy who had the drill nailed with pre-made pre-measured loads made with cigarette papers.  It seems to me to be a reasonable plan, I can rip the paper pour & stuff the paper in as a wad and ball and crisco the cylinder.  I don't think I need to use a light easy to burn paper, as it will only become a wad, correct?  Any of you done this or someting like it?  Thanks in advance.  JB

[Goatlips]

Try here Pard.....

http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=326.0

Goatlips

[Singing Bear]

Those are exactly the type of cartridges I been using for several years.  But only in guns with cylinders that have true chambers.  If you have gaps between the ball and chamber walls, even a dollop of Crisco won't help much against a chainfire.   A cig rolling paper wad won't help either.   You can still use the paper cartridge, but still have to use a felt or vegie wad, dry or lubed, between the powder and ball.  I've managed to eliminate the CF problem this way in my questionable guns, but it kinda defeats the purpose of using paper cartridges.   :wink:

I use Bugler rolling paper and white glue to hold the ball in the tube.  Adhesive end is open to pour the powder, dampen and seal.  It takes awhile to make a bunch, but if you have the time at home it does make a difference at a match.  Btw, Bugler is one of the thicker papers on the market.  I've tried others like the ones that come with Drum tobacco, Top and that "hippy" brand.  :wink:   They were all too thin and flimsy, for me.  Others, too expensive.

If this works out for you, you can buy Bugler by the carton from places like eSmokes.com.   About $12 will get you a carton of 24 books of 100 sheets each.   I shoot 30 rounds per month at a match plus some inbetween stuff.  I'm still in the first 2/3's of my first carton after almost 3 years.   Well, I've missed a few matches also.  :lol:

[Rustyinfla]

I've never shot a Cowboy match. I've only ever been to one in my life but it looked like a hoot. Are there some stages where you must do a timed reload? If so how would a cap & Baller do that? I'm thinkin I'll get started with a pair of Ruger Old Armies.

          thanks,
           Rusty <><

[Will52100]

I can't help with the timed reload, haven't had to do it yet at a match.  I work offshore 14 and 14 so only get to go about 6 months at a time.

I'm curently shooting a set of 51 navies and have had plenty of time to reload from the flask while watching the loading/unloading table or spotting.  I timed myself a while back and I can load both navies in under two minits minus caps.  Course I did screw up and managed to seat a ball on an empty chamer and that slowed me down.

For the 44 cal the ready tubes dixie gun works sells work realy well, the 36 cal are a little too thick for my taste.  They are vinal tube that look like the end of fiberglass CB antanies and you pour your powder and press a ball into to seal them.  When your ready to load pop the ball out, dump your powder and seat the ball.  All my guns have good chambers so a swipe of crisco works great as a lube.  At the loading table I cap with a snail capper and use a section of antler to press the caps on.

I've made paper cartriges and they work well for me, but take way to long for me load.  The quik tubes from dixie I just stick under my powder measure and charge, place a ball and it's ready.

[Singing Bear]

Rustyinfla, for required reloads on the clock, cap and ball shooters can charge all 6 chambers, but cap only 5.  At the buzzer, the 6th chamber can be capped on the clock and then commence to shooting.   Don't ever attempt to start shooting without capping that last chamber first.   :eek:  :wink:   This is pretty much SOP for cap and ball reloads at most local club matches.

[Rustyinfla]

Thanks Singing bear, that question just came to mind when I read the post. In my experience of shooting longrifles in competition most shooters will greatly speed loading time when the develop a rhythm.
  At our shoots a relay was 5 shots in 20 minutes. That is 5 shots where most people will go back to the bench swab the barrel, dry the barrel, reload, then walk back to the line and fire. When you first start you feel rushed, but after a while you'll be able to get your shots off and still have time to chew a little fat.
  Some shooters don't do well to have some stand and talk to them while they are loading. We had one woman get distracted. She ended up losing a finger when the gun discharged at the bench.

       Rusty <><

[Andrew Quigley]

I  shoot CAS too and the way I load mine is pretty fast for me. Picked up about a 150 aluminum 45 long colt cases at the local range and a stopper for the end of each. Measure my loads the night before a match and load the cases. Keep them in a bag on my gun cart and dump the empty case and stopper in my brass bag.
 I use Pyrodex P in  3 of my guns that are 44 cals but I use Goex fffg in my pair of 36's and shoot conicals in the 36's that are pan lubed. The 36's I load from my powder flask. Some say this is unsafe but I load mine by turning it spout down with my finger over the spout, open the gate and let it fill the spout, close the gate, turn flask right side up and move over top of chamber to load. Dump in powder from spout and load the conical and repeat on the next chamber.
 The guns were shot at the line and checked at the unloading table. All fired caps removed so there is no chance of a  spark to set off the flask when above the chamber.
 I can load either way and both are pretty fast.  Forgot to mention that on the ones I load from the 45 cases that I don't use lubes over the balls or a wad. I fill up the air space with cornmeal. Been shooting this way for over five years and my Remington will shot 1 1/8 groups at 15yrds shooting one handed.
 Just my 2 cents.