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NEF .30-30 and Hornady 130 Spire, a post mortem
« on: January 09, 2006, 05:47:04 AM »
Killed a 110 lb 5 point yesterday at approx 180 yards with my (I mean my WIFE's) .30-30 Handi Rifle. The load is IMR max book load of 3031 for this bullet in the T/C Contender data, avgs 2653 in my handi. Best 100 yd group so far is 0.74". Figured it was worth trying.

Long story short, I made a bad shot and followed a blood trail for just over 1/2 mile through the thickest and nastiest briars I've ever seen and had to make a finishing shot. This was not the fault of the bullet or the rifle, my shot placement was terrible- the worst in over 30 years of hunting, and I know I was very lucky to recover this deer. Twice when I was within 50 yards of him he'd get up and move off through the brush so I finally just sat down by one of the blood pools in the pine straw for 45 minutes before trying to track him again-- no way to slip through that stuff with your hat, clothes and flesh being ripped up with every step.

The first shot (and I'm still trying to figure out this angle) entered at the bottom of the sternum slightly to one side, followed just under the skin and destroyed the front left shoulder. The bullet did not exit, and I found part of the core under the skin on the left shoulder. The 2nd shot (2 hours later) was intended for the neck but he tried to get back up as I fired and the bullet smashed through the left ham, reentered and took out 5 ribs lengthwise, exited and entered the left shoulder again, just above the resting place of the first shot. The bullet's jacket was found resting against the spine, splayed out in a star shape, so it was the core that exited the ribs and stayed in the shoulder.

Both bullets came apart, but they both hit a lot of bone. Considering that only the second shot hit vitals (regrettably), this really can't be considered a verdict on this catridge/bullet combination. I'm afraid what this -can- be considered a verdict on is rushing a shot. He was nearly broadside to me heading down a hill, was in some light brush in a clearcut , and must have turned away from me more than I realized for the bullet to take that path. Had I made the same shot with my .308 or .280 the outcome would likely have been the same, I think.

I guess the good thing is I was able to stay on him until I got him. I'm very thankful it didn't rain, I would never have found this deer and I hate to think what may have happened to him. Until now I have either killed deer outright or just missed them-- never have had to do a tracking job like this.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to report on this rifle in a better light. That Hornady 130 looks to be a wicked bullet at that velocity. I don't think any deer would go far with a solid decent hit in the vitals.

 
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NEF .30-30 and Hornady 130 Spire, a post mo
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 06:08:57 AM »
I too have had to track deer and do not like it , I would rather do a clean kill with one shot , But alass it happens . :oops:

Glad you found him .  :D

If we do our part the little 30-30 will do it's .

Did the load show any over pressure signs , Just wondering .
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 07:38:18 AM »
Thanks SL32,

 Yeah, that was ugly.  Don't ever want to see that again.

 No pressure signs with that load at all with Rem brass, I do get some slight primer flattening with WW brass, but they're more accurate with Rem brass so that's what I settled on.  I neck size for the NEF so the cases don't stretch much at all, and no signs so far of head separations after several loadings.

 That Hornady bullet has a very abrupt ogive though, so I could not seat the bullet to the COAL listed in the IMR manual.  Apparently the T/C has a longer throat.  Can't recall what the COAL ended up being offhand, but I made up a dummy round and seated it a bit at a time in the seating die until I could close the action on the NEF.  Dropped down 2 grains and worked back up to 36.0 3031, which is the max load listed.  Got about 25 fps more with the same charge with 125 gr Ballistic Tips, which are almost as accurate in my rifle as the Hornady 130s.  

 Sort of a ".308 Roberts".

 I did get over 2700 fps with both 748 and H335, but the accuracy wasn't there.

      I still think this will be a good bullet for deer, just gotta put 'em in the right place.


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