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« on: December 14, 2005, 02:52:05 AM »
Here's an interesting article about the origin of Christmas on 25 December.
fyi....from ChristianityToday. com   ...........Merry Christmas......TM7
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Why December 25?
For the church's first three centuries, Christmas wasn't in December—or on the calendar at all.

Elesha Coffman

It's very tough for us North Americans to imagine Mary and Joseph trudging to Bethlehem in anything but, as Christina Rosetti memorably described it, "the bleak mid-winter," surrounded by "snow on snow on snow." To us, Christmas and December are inseparable. But for the first three centuries of Christianity, Christmas wasn't in December—or on the calendar anywhere.

If observed at all, the celebration of Christ's birth was usually lumped in with Epiphany (January 6), one of the church's earliest established feasts. Some church leaders even opposed the idea of a birth celebration. Origen (c.185-c.254) preached that it would be wrong to honor Christ in the same way Pharaoh and Herod were honored. Birthdays were for pagan gods.

Not all of Origen's contemporaries agreed that Christ's birthday shouldn't be celebrated, and some began to speculate on the date (actual records were apparently long lost). Clement of Alexandria (c.150-c.215) favored May 20 but noted that others had argued for April 18, April 19, and May 28. Hippolytus (c.170-c.236) championed January 2. November 17, November 20, and March 25 all had backers as well. A Latin treatise written around 243 pegged March 21, because that was believed to be the date on which God created the sun. Polycarp (c.69-c.155) had followed the same line of reasoning to conclude that Christ's birth and baptism most likely occurred on Wednesday, because the sun was created on the fourth day.

The eventual choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects a convergence of Origen's concern about pagan gods and the church's identification of God's son with the celestial sun. December 25 already hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier. Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the true deity, church leaders decided to commandeer the date and introduce a new festival.

Western Christians first celebrated Christmas on December 25 in 336, after Emperor Constantine had declared Christianity the empire's favored religion. Eastern churches, however, held on to January 6 as the date for Christ's birth and his baptism. Most easterners eventually adopted December 25, celebrating Christ's birth on the earlier date and his baptism on the latter, but the Armenian church celebrates his birth on January 6. Incidentally, the Western church does celebrate Epiphany on January 6, but as the arrival date of the Magi rather than as the date of Christ's baptism.

Another wrinkle was added in the sixteenth century when Pope Gregory devised a new calendar, which was unevenly adopted. The Eastern Orthodox and some Protestants retained the Julian calendar, which meant they celebrated Christmas 13 days later than their Gregorian counterparts. Most—but not all—of the Christian world now agrees on the Gregorian calendar and the December 25 date.

The pagan origins of the Christmas date, as well as pagan origins for many Christmas customs (gift-giving and merrymaking from Roman Saturnalia; greenery, lights, and charity from the Roman New Year; Yule logs and various foods from Teutonic feasts), have always fueled arguments against the holiday. "It's just paganism wrapped with a Christian bow," naysayers argue. But while kowtowing to worldliness must always be a concern for Christians, the church has generally viewed efforts to reshape culture—including holidays—positively. As a theologian asserted in 320, "We hold this day holy, not like the pagans because of the birth of the sun, but because of him who made it."

Elesha can be reached at cheditor@ChristianityToday.com.

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2006, 03:53:30 AM »
Well TM7...
   You've printed a story that is quite well known among Christians...and as you can clearly see, none are disturbed by it !
 
   We Christians that are involved in the study of our faith all know that we do not have a firm day or even year, of Jesus' birth !

  It simply doesn't matter !!

  It also doesn't matter that the date for Easter  may well not be accurate and that day may well have been the same day as a pagan festival !

  When Dec 25th arrives, Christians meditate and pray upon the birth of our Lord and Savior and on Easter Sunday we consider the great, and priceless gift he gave us when he arose from the grave !
 
  Any puny arguments by cults or athiests will not weaken our resolve in this matter.

   Whether the exact date is correct or not is of little import..because God looks deeper than simple calendar dates...see...I Samuel 16:7

    Incidentaly; God has little regard for  our man-made calendars..he doesn't see past, present and future as we do..

    Sorry to break you bubble...not !
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2006, 04:11:16 AM »
IRONGLOW. Well said Sir. It's not the date thats important, but the faith and worship. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2006, 05:47:06 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2006, 08:45:33 AM »
TM7;
  You are correct in that today's Christmas season has developed into a shopping marathon.
  I am not surprised, since it's business's job to sell more and more.
 
    It is the job of believers to keep the focus where it  belongs.
 
  Increasingly, business is able to get it's message out...but also increasingly. we Christians are being stifled by those who would like to see us curl up and die.
 
   Unfortunately (for them) this isn't likely to happen anytime soon !

  JUst tell them " the MEEK are getting ready ! ...LOL

   Yes; I realize that now and then we are quick to become defensive, but consider how we are being attacked for our beliefs, some from formerly friendly sources.
     We have "reverands" trying to silence us ! The YWCA doesn't like us..Check out what the letters YWCA stand for and apparently doesn't anymore.
   
   Half the elected reps in govt want to throttle us, and no surprise  because we often turn the spotlight of truth upon hypocracy..

   So if i were a bit quick on the draw..sorry..but I think the reason for it is entirely valid.

    I guess another reason for the icy reception of the article from Christianity Today...is because even a Christian that is still in the " milk of the word" has seen and heard all those claims many times before and researched enough to have dispelled any doubts they may engender  so it's like "ancient news"...much like the DaVinci Code Hypocracy that has made the rounds again after lying dormant  for at least 75 or 80 years minimum...

   BTW: If someone wants to learn about REAL Christianity, I could refer them to a couple hundred sources before I would even mention the magazine " Christianity Today ".
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2006, 12:46:30 PM »
TM7. You are correct on the comercialization of Christmas, it's a good topic to discuss, sorry if I offended you.
I work for walmart. There is no end to what they will do to honor Christ. First there was a memo from corporate that we were not allowed to say, MERRY CHRISTMAS, might offend some Godless creature I guess. A friend confronted the store mgr and her co mgr about this. They both told her that it was NOT allowed, might offend someone. She called 1-80-walmart hey told her the same thing and after finding out who she was they referred her to another # and said they couldn't talk to her because she was an employee. She told them that she was also a customer, and a very angry one. Walmart made the news, was on local talk radio, and I'm sure received several million complaints nation wide. WOW, suddenly it was ok to say, MERRY CHRISTMAS. They send down memos saying that they were mis understood and we were NEVER forbidden to say Merry Christmas. A local Lowes store got in hot water for advertising, HOLIDAY TREES. After a tirade of calls, emails, and memos, they suddenly decided that they had Christmas trees for sale. Walmart is NOT a Christian frienly employer, it's all about MONEY. POWDERMAN :D  :D  :D  :D There are several missed letters in this post, my puter is acting up.
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Why Dec. 25 ---?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2006, 03:56:45 PM »
Quote from: TM7
Here's an interesting article about the origin of Christmas on 25 December.
fyi....from ChristianityToday. com   ...........Merry Christmas......TM7
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Why December 25?
For the church's first three centuries, Christmas wasn't in December—or on the calendar at all.
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Could be that if you had a calendar with Christ's birthday marked on it in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd century - The Romans would have killed you!
    Ray

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2006, 06:06:38 PM »
The shepards noticed His star in the sky while tending their flocks. The shepards took their flocks out at night during the summer months in Israel due to the heat of the day.
 Easter floats around because it is celebrated on the Sunday after Passover. Passover  changes because it is based on the Jewish calendar. We don't know on what day of the week Passover fell at the time of the crucifixion.
Some need proof, some take things on faith. The exact dates are really not important  to ones faith.