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Offline Kmrere42

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Barrel work and repair 1909 Argentine Mauser
« on: January 04, 2006, 09:40:01 AM »
Hi,


 I have an argentine mauser in 7.65x53 24" carbine with a moderately worn barrel.  Current internal dimentions are .303" bore and .315 grove with moderate rounding of the lands.  Is there a way of carefully shaving a bit of the leading edge of the lands without enlarging the bore??  Alternately would it be better to increase the grove diameter to .3175/.318 as well as the neck to shoot .318 bullets.  And finally would it be easier to have a turned barrel for 308Win and just call it a day.

The bolt and receiver numbers do not match so if I had to change the stock I could but would rather keep the mauser apearence.



Thank you




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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 12:08:21 PM »
Kmrere - I'm not answering for the gunnut here but you didn't say how well or poorly she shoots.  If she shoots good, then leave it and roll you own loads or (I think you can) buy ammo from some of our different sponsors.  With proper loads the 7.65x53 is every bit as good as the 308, period.  No critter is going to notice the difference of 50'/sec or whether the bullet impacted 1/4" higher than another would have.

I suppose you can go through the hoops to have the barrel re-cut, purchase brass, get a .318 ball expander for your reloading die, locate .318 bullets, brew up your own loads and wind up with something effective; if you want to go through the hoops.

When you say a 'moderately worn barrel' - whatcha mean????  Dark bore, pitting, shiny bore, dings on the crown - er what?  

'Shaving the leading edge of the lands' could most likely be accomplished by fire-lapping your barrel, if you need it.  I would like to read more of what the inside of that barrel looks like and what the gunnut has to say about it.  Some barrels appear so shiny when you put a bore light to them that it is hard to distinguish the lands and grooves and that is the effect you look for in a properly lapped barrel - at least I do.  Tell us more.  Mikey.

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2006, 01:30:01 PM »
Kmrere42,

  I've had some well worn barrels on guns that still shot plenty good.
The old 7.65 argantine is a good ol' caliber, even if it is not one of the most popular. If you aren't satisfyed with the gun's preformance shooting wise, the 1909 action is the best of the '98 Mausers for sporterizing, already having the floorplate release inside the trigger guard.

   Midway USA has prethreaded mauser barrels available in all the major calibers, the .308 being one of them, and they have several weights and contors as well. They also have both chrome/moly and stainless steel styles too.

  Give the gun a chance first, you may find that it's still a shooter, and if your still on the fence, give the Midway web page a look.

 Hope this helps, Rvtrav

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 04:25:20 PM »
Hi Mikey,

The bore is a little rough with the usual pitting and darkness.  The leade is where it should be and not eroded away. The rifleing is worn but distinct.  I will give it a workout.  I have read about firelapping but have never tried it out.

In your experience what have been the largest bullets of the various makers in the .303/7.7 size.  





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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2006, 08:48:40 PM »
The '09 Argentine is a really good action and the caliber is perfectly adequate for anything most of us will ever shoot.  The ammo is a little hard to come by and pricey but if you handload it's as easy as any.  I'm confused by your question about 'largest bullet'. Are you asking about weight or looking for an oversized bullet. All the bullet makers have excellant websites and I've not loaded the Argentine in years..  I'd buy a couple boxes of ammo and check out how she shots. If alls well fine. If not a rebarrel is easy enough and not too expensive.. and caliber is nearly anything that'll fit in the action.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2006, 11:43:26 PM »
Hi Gunnut69,



O.K. My goof,   I meant diameter.  I am looking for somethng in the .313 range.  The rifles grove size in not that oversize.  What is the easiest way to smooth out the bore without doing any more dammage. I am keeping the barrel unless I can find a better one in the same caliber.





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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2006, 03:12:02 AM »
Kmrere:  If your bore is a little dark with some pitting fire-lapping can improve on that but again, as gunnut and rvtrav provide, give her a shoot first and see how she does - you may like it just fine the way it is.  

BTW - the largest diameter slug for the 303 Brit/7.7 Jap/7.65 Argentine is the Hornaday .312 bullets.  HTH.  Mikey.

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2006, 04:59:11 PM »
I forgot to mention firelapping. Luckily, there are plenty of well versed folks on this forum who did mention it. There is a "firelapping kit" available from several reloading sources that have precoated bullets with various grits of compound on them.
  For the Argentine, it may be a lot easier/cheaper to do it yourself. It is a fairly simple process, and it does help.

  I'm interested in how things develop, Rvtrav.

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2006, 09:25:43 PM »
I would give the bore a good cleaning and perhaps a polish with J-B Bore cleaner before resorting to firelapping.  The rifle may shoot just fine.
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