Where is the recoil?

[volshooter]

Read many post about recoil before I bought a .458 WM. Seemed that many folks are concerned about it and some warned me. Well I needed brass anyway so I bought a new box of Federal Premium Safari .458 win, mag. 500gr trophy bonded. So as not to overheat I fired 20 rounds over 30 minutes. I'm not a big guy but found shooting 20 rounds quite fun. I do not find any excessive recoil but allot of noise. I have shot 40 factory rounds through the new rifle over a week or so and don't see any bruises or had any tears. As I stated in another topic I do shoot quite a few 2 3/4 and 3 inch slugs a year from my 12ga. So far nothing kicks as hard as a Remington 3 inch foster style slug. While sighting in I have had my hat  and glasses knocked off and sallowed a wad of chewing tobacco form slug shooting. Is recoil the same for everyone? When I was 19, I had a H&R 3 1/2" 10 ga that I used all season and don't remember ever having a sore shoulder. In a way I am disappointed, I thought the .458 win mag would be a real stomper. I may try to find someone local with a 50 BMG rifle just to strap it on for size. Don't mess with me Superman, I am not sensitive! Wonder if I could put a shoulder stock on a 155mm?

Rick

[PA-Joe]

The brand of rifle makes a big difference. You did't say what type you were using.

[victorcharlie]

Sounds like your conditioned to the recoil..........that's a good thing!  I suspect the gun fits you correctly and your mounting it right or  you'ld have a bruise..........Those East Tennessee whitetails better watch out for you!

[volshooter]

Savage Safari express with a muzzlebrake. I might use the brake next time.

[Savage .250]

Every action creates a re-action. Some more bothersome than others.

 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

[tanoose]

If you ghet a chance buy some hornady 458 heavy mag loads they advertise with a 500 grain bullet 2260 fps out of a 24" i believe the federal loads are at 2050 fps . let us know how the recoil is with those hornadys are . Did you chrony those federals i am curious as to the actual velocity . Later Tanoose

[bajabill]

most likely, this is a testiment to the effectivity of your muzzlebrake.

[volshooter]

Didn't chrony anything yet, sorry. I did reload some 350grSP under a dose of 70gr of IMR4064, compressed load but at 50yds with open sights (without muzzle brake) I got a fantistic group of less than 1 inch with open sights for a 3 shot group. Two shots figured 8'd. NUFF said, this is a fine hog load for sure! I will not use the brake cause I'm  bout deef now. I am gonna keep this one unscoped and stoked with this load for boar and bear.
Rick

[jro45]

The 458 doesn't recoil bad.  Just the other week I shot a 458 win with the 500 gr bullet going 2150fps and it wasn't bad at all. I have my 416 Rem shooting 400 gr bullets, recoil feels about the same. Its all in how you hold the rifle. Good luck with yours.

[Dana C]

I shoot a Ruger #1 in458 Lott and a Rem. in 375 H&H.  What you are saying is correct indirectly.  If you become acustomed to recoil, you learn how to manage it.  The Lott, has more  powder and more felt recoil than the .458 Win. Mag.  However, if you lean into the rifle with a very tight hold against your shoulder and allow the barrel to rise on the shot, it is quite manageable.  It is all in HOW you hold the rifle.  
Having said that, I don't want to plink with it.  About 10 rounds is all I want to do.  
The .375 H&H was more painful IMHO.  I had a muzzle break put on and can now shoot it all day long.  Of course at the range, those next to me don't make me feel real welcome.
 :-D

[coltnavy36]

I, like you, got conditioned to recoil at an early age, and it helps.
When I got my .450 double, I was also dissapointed.
No big deal, I said.
I am not real sure of how far up the chain I could go with recoil, but I have tried a .577 Nitro, and I'm still looking for a real kicker.
The weight of the gun is the key.
I had rather have fun with a .577 than that 5.7 pd. h@r 3" 12ga. with a 7/8 ounce slugger-slug-the thing is murder.
REALLY.
And believe it or not, I only weigh 160 pds.
Nothing has ever "knocked me over" or "brought tears", like you hear everywhere on the net.
No bruises.
Wait, yes, with the above mentioned shotgun, there was a bruise only slightly as I had a t-shirt on and it had a hard rubber butt-plate, and with that said, that is the only gun ever to do it.

yall, have fun now, and everything, cause I've got to get the lights on this Christmas tree.
---coltnavy36---

[Redhawk1]

I, like you, got conditioned to recoil at an early age, and it helps.
When I got my .450 double, I was also dissapointed.
No big deal, I said.
I am not real sure of how far up the chain I could go with recoil, but I have tried a .577 Nitro, and I'm still looking for a real kicker.
The weight of the gun is the key.
I had rather have fun with a .577 than that 5.7 pd. h@r 3" 12ga. with a 7/8 ounce slugger-slug-the thing is murder.
REALLY.
And believe it or not, I only weigh 160 pds.
Nothing has ever "knocked me over" or "brought tears", like you hear everywhere on the net.
No bruises.
Wait, yes, with the above mentioned shotgun, there was a bruise only slightly as I had a t-shirt on and it had a hard rubber butt-plate, and with that said, that is the only gun ever to do it.

yall, have fun now, and everything, cause I've got to get the lights on this Christmas tree.
---coltnavy36---

I had a gun that would of put a tear in your eye. I had a 50 BMG . When I took off the muzzlebrake and shot it, I was done.  :shock:  :-D

[jro45]

The 50BMG is big

[coltnavy36]

The thing that gets me about the 50 bmg though is that its just not "to me anyway" considered a sporting firearm.
It is simply on the fartherst outskirts of "out there", in a way.
Guess you could use it as such, but it just don't "seem right".hehe
Jokingly, of course on all of this.
The 50 bmg, always seems like more of a novelty round to me, because I can't seem to realize any use for it other than militarily.
I'm sure they are fun otherwise though.
But that IS one I'm not putting to my shoulder any time soon, or ever, for that matter.
Bout like that .729 Jongmans. I mean, what in the world needs that much blast?
The farthest I would go for me would be a 585 Nyati, and only with a proper built HEAVY HEAVY rifle. (laughing)
---coltnavy36---

[Harry Snippe]

The 50BMG is big

Yes I shot a WW1 Anti tank gun this past summer .

I doubt if a animal like moose would walk away from any one of these rounds.
How -ever needing to walk five miles in heavy cover up and down a few ridges  with a gun like this, sure would make a man out of you.
Then I would worry about a sparrow nesting in the barrel  while on watch.

Seriously , If you can shoot it all the power to Ya!
Happy

[volshooter]

Dad said once that I would be the first in line to fire it if someone could fit a stock to a 155 howitzer. I do lean in and keep it tight, roll with the push. Forever I was told about the kick of the big bores and was expecting something different I guess. I still think 3 inch Remington foster style slugs recoil right smartly. Got a bud that keeps me in slugs year round and I like throwing big chunks of lead. The reloads of 350gr over 70 gr of IMR 4064 gives a good shove but the fit, weight and groups make these fine. I only have 40- 458 WM cases so I have not gotten to reload alot yet. Me like!

Rick

BTW I did look at the rifle and with the help of glasses I could see it is a model 116 Savage SS in .458 WM with a muzzle brake. This thing fits me like it was made just fo me. Very natural feel and point.

[Redhawk1]

The 50BMG is big

I sold both of my 50BMG's. We are no longer allowed to shoot them at our local range. I got tired of looking for a place to shoot or having to drive 3 hours one way just to shoot.  :evil:

[dcnewyork]

I have been thinking about recoil recently too. I have been shooting for many years now, started when I was about 10 with my cousins 16 gauge. That gun used to literaly knock me back a few steps when I touched it off, i was only about 75 pounds. Than I got a 20 gauge for christmas, i could shoot that just fine. I used to go through about 50-100 rounds a weekend (i had a lee load all). When I was 12 i got a pretty sweet SMLE .303 brit. (which i chopped up and sporterized, yes i was young). Used to shoot TON"S of surplus through that, had the brass butt plate. I got a 12 gauge, 25-06, .375h&h, .270, shot them all no problem. WELLLLLL ...... now i am older and about 165 pounds, and holy geezus they pound the heck out of me. 12 gauge leaves bruse on my sholder. i have no idea how i ever shot that 20 ga single shot. .303 hurts after 15 shots. Will not ever shoot .375 again.  but the 270 is fine, i can shoot that all day. i have come to the conclusion that when i was smaller, shorter and lighter the gun moved with recoil and so did I. now i am taller heavier and bigger, the gun does not move, I do not move, but the gun compresses my nerves, bones, and blood vessels. I don't flinch, and i still shoot, but i limit my shooting of the ones that hurt me.

[volshooter]

With you brother! I never had a bruise till I was 43. Now I bruise a little after 20+ rounds of the heavy stuff. Now at 47 I have to limit range time/hard kickers to 20 rounds or less. I have lost my ability to take the recoil without marks, but the recoil still does not bother me. Perhaps I was just introduced to butt-stomppers early and with my frame (5-9, 215 lbs.) I was made for this. I would like to touch off a round or two of 50 BMG in a rifle before I get completly useless. I wish I had the steady hand of 20 years ago. The next generation are less than acceptable.
Rick