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« on: December 18, 2005, 11:54:51 AM »
can anyone tell me the best loads and powder for my new 1851 navy .44 from cabelas

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 02:54:53 PM »
If its a brass frame I would stay down around 20gr FFFg if you shoot alot.  Higher loads could start to loosen the brass to steel fittings.  Once in a while shooting at max loads would be ok.  If you want to shoot alot at higher powder loads......you really should look into getting an all steel Army 60 or Army 58.  I do admit that the brass Navy .44 is a pretty gun,  My wife likes that one the most. :D

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 03:29:24 PM »
thanks

 this will be the first time i have messed with the black powder revolvers i have used the ruger blackhawks for a few years now and wanted to try a new gun

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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2005, 03:51:07 PM »
i got my new 51 navy today when i shoot i will post my results straight out of box

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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2005, 04:01:04 AM »
i shot and got a 13 inch group how do i get better groups thanks for any thing u might give me

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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2005, 02:46:57 PM »
can any1 tell me how to get a better group out of my pietta navy .44

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2005, 08:31:34 AM »
My near-new Pietta .44 1851 Repro responded very well to a new blade front sight to bring the point of impact to match point of aim.  I also try to be as consistent on my powder loads as possible.
I have found that using Kiwi Mink Oil paste works nicely as an over-bullet grease.
I like the 777 powder too, but it isn't to everone's liking.  It's a smidge hotter than Pyrodex, so load accordingly.

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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2005, 10:17:57 AM »
thanks big dog i shoot pyrodex in mine and use a greased wad instead of grease

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2005, 06:24:49 AM »
i tried my new navy on a coyote and broke its shoulder and shot another in the head they both hit the ground 75 yards in front of me

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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2005, 06:28:19 AM »
i tried my new navy on a coyote and broke its shoulder and shot another in the head they both hit the ground 75 yards in front of me

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2006, 03:29:22 PM »
if i had some pyrodex rs would it work right in my .44 navy

 thanks ahead of time for any info u might give me

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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2006, 12:55:28 AM »
I had a pound of Pyrodex RS that I got in a box of reloading stuff at an auction sale. I used it in my cap and ball revolvers while plinking. I had a few missfires and delayed ignitions, but it worked good enough to burn it up. If you can find it in your location, 3F black works best. If I couldn't get black, and only had a choice of the substitutes, I would go with 777 ahead of Pyrodex. It seems to light better, and causes less fouling and soot.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2006, 10:51:07 AM »
pyrodex or cleanshot is the only powder i can get in my area when i try to find something else they either dont carry it or dont have it in stock

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2006, 12:10:53 PM »
how much powder could i safely stuff into this .44 navy revolver

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2006, 08:09:58 AM »
If your 1851 is brass framed, do as Mulegunner suggested, and stay with 20 grains or less. I have two brass frame cap & ball revolvers. They are both .36 caliber. A Hawes 1851 Sheriff's model, and an F.I.E. 1858 Rem. I experimented until I knew exactly how much powder it took to seat the ball with a little compression, and cut a spout to throw that much powder. I think the amount was 17 grains. I have had them for over 30 years, and they have both burned several pounds of powder. Even with those light charges, they both show signs of excessive barrel/cylinder gap. Niether one of them has been shot nearly as much as the steel framed Uberti 1860 Army that is the same age, and that is as solid as the day I bought it in 1970.  If yours is a steel frame, I would only load it with the max amount listed in the pamphlet that came in the box with your pistol. I don't know about the .44 1851, but The steel frame .44s I have (depending on maker) suggest from 26 to 30 grains of black powder. No matter how much you overload it, it will not be a magnum performer, and you will be loosening things up.  I have an Army San Marco Walker that will hold about 60 grains of powder, but according to my conograph, I get roughly the same velocity with 40 grains, as I get when I fill it up. These cap & ball revolvers are made from pretty mild steel, so stay within, or better yet, a little under the suggested max. They are fun,but have limitations. On those occasions you feel you need more power, take one of your modern sixguns, which are designed to provide a higher performance.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2006, 01:44:34 PM »
Pyrodex "P" is what you want if you can't get real powder. It's made for pistols and revolbvers. It loads the same as Goex 3f and has a little more kick to it. Very clean but you still get plenty of smoke and it's the most consistent powder out there.
777 3f is a lot more expensive and you should load 15% less by volume than black powder or Pyrodex "P". It's also not as consistent shot for shot and fliers are frequent. Some guy's have better luck useing 777 2f in there revolvers.
Pyrodex "P" is the closest you will get to the real thing today and it cost about the same amount as the real Goex or Elephant BP.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2006, 02:34:03 PM »
the pyrodex rs that i have recently bought is very fine it shoots as well or better than pyrodex p in my revolver