Author Topic: 375 H&H or 375 RUM (Read 1950 times)

nasem · « **on:** December 06, 2005, 02:53:40 PM »

Im kind of thinking about a "big boomer".... my biggest boomer right now is the 300RUM but..... I mean its nice as all heck and its a very nice / flat / long distance shooting rifle, however I just want to have a big caliber rifle.

Hunting wise... Im probebly never going to go dangerous hunting so your probebly thinking "you don't need 375 anyways"

Well, Im thinkin about those CZ 550 rifles, they come in 375 h&h, they weight about 9.3 lbs (with no scope) and 25" barrel. But on the other hand, you got those nice remingtons Xtrem-conditions with 375 RUM. I wanted to know which caliber would you guys prefer and also what other guns would you guys recommend for either the 375 H&H or 375 RUM

btw, i know the RUM shoots a little faster (not by much, maybe 150 fps more) but does it really make THAT much difference when it comes to killing power,.

Ramrod · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2005, 03:49:39 PM »

Go with the .375 H&H. The reason being, if you need more killing power, more velovity ain't gonna do it. You will need a bigger bullet, something like a 500 grain .458.

45north · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2005, 07:08:41 PM »

It is a rule any time the brass says ultra mag or WSM that is the gun to get. We all know that the animals are much tougher than they were 100 years ago when the old cal. were invented. The old stuff like the .375 H&H the 270 win. and the 30/06 and 45/70 they all just bounce right off todays big game animal.
Well ok maybe not.
I am just kidding please don't be upset with me, the above has nothing to do with you personaly. It ruffles my feathers when the big gun companies have to sell a new rifles so they make something that is not needed or even wanted by most people.
There is one more thing to think about. Ammo, when you use a rifle like that most of the time it is either in alaska or africa. I'll bet you can not find one box of 375 RUM ammo in the interior from the canadian border to Fairbanks and maybe from Wasilla all the way back to Tok. That is a loooong drive if something happens to your ammo, while hunting in the interior. On the coast it might be different I am not sure.
Ammo for 375 H&H and 30/06 and 270 win. 300 win mag they are all easy to get, oh and I can not forget the 338 win mag. But not much RUM or WSM stuff around here.
If interested in Africa then ask JJHACK over at the african hunt page he has some strong feelings about the 375 UM.

Use the old stuff you'll be glad you did.

45north

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2005, 02:40:33 AM »

375 H&H is my choice.

jro45 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2005, 02:51:57 AM »

I'd go with the 375 H&H.

CEJ1895 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2005, 06:14:01 AM »

nasem - I vote for the .375 H&H, the RUM's, WSM's WSSM's and most all of the other new stuff probably won't last too long but the classic .375 H&H will still be going strong! Go get one! I did!

CEJ...

Dana C · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2005, 12:40:50 PM »

I would go with the .375 H&H. I bought one "just because". I liked the nostalga of the cartridge and the whole idea of shooting an "African" big game rifle. After I got it and had a muzzel break put on it I found that it is that is said about it being the most verstile round on the planet may be true.
My friends 13 year old son shot an antelope here in Idaho at 300 yards, he took a huge black bear with it and an elk at 300 yards as well.
It works for plains game, dangerous game and just about anything you can hunt. As far as being to much rifle, the antelope that the kid shot had a .375 hole in one shoulder and a .375 hole in the opposite shoulder with almost no meat loss. It dropped liked Thor's Hammer hit him.
If I had to own only one rifle it would be a .375 H&H, (mine is a early 60's Remmington C Grade Custom shop that I picked shopping Guns American on line. I have a compact Leopold VX3 1.5-5 on it.)

Lawdog · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2005, 01:33:41 PM »

Go with the .375 H&H is which ever rifle that tickles your fancy. If you would really like an additional 150 to 200 fps. then have it bored out to .375 Weatherby Magnum, then it will be perfect. That way you can still shoot .375 H&H ammo in it if needed. Lawdog

oso45-70 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2005, 03:03:32 PM »

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Go with the .375 H&H is which ever rifle that tickles your fancy. If you would really like an additional 150 to 200 fps. then have it bored out to .375 Weatherby Magnum, then it will be perfect. That way you can still shoot .375 H&H ammo in it if needed. Lawdog

Gotta go along with lawdog on this one, If you run out of 375 weatherby ammo you can run 375H&H through it and you will make out just fine. My Sako will be the last 375 i will ever own, In fact it will probably be the last rifle i ever own. OOPS who said that, Lawdog and I can agree on a few things, As long as we stay away from the 416s we can do pretty good

..........Joe.............

Lawdog · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2005, 12:07:57 PM »

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Go with the .375 H&H is which ever rifle that tickles your fancy. If you would really like an additional 150 to 200 fps. then have it bored out to .375 Weatherby Magnum, then it will be perfect. That way you can still shoot .375 H&H ammo in it if needed. Lawdog

Gotta go along with lawdog on this one, If you run out of 375 weatherby ammo you can run 375H&H through it and you will make out just fine. My Sako will be the last 375 i will ever own, In fact it will probably be the last rifle i ever own. OOPS who said that, Lawdog and I can agree on a few things, As long as we stay away from the 416s we can do pretty good ..........Joe.............

:-D :-D

Lawdog

Jimi · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2005, 09:32:17 AM »

I'm on the .375H&H bandwagon. Part of the beauty of the H&H is the way it performs under a myriad of conditions. I'd hate to have to count on a Short Magnum to fire well in hot conditions. And another advantage of the H&H's sloped shoulders is its ease of feeding. The steeper the shoulder, the greater the risk.

Lawdog · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2005, 09:57:20 AM »

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And another advantage of the H&H's sloped shoulders is its ease of feeding. The steeper the shoulder, the greater the risk.

Seeing that the .375 Weatherby Magnum has been around for 60 years don't you think that any feeding problems, which never existed, would have been fixed? Sharper shoulders and belted cases dont mean there might be a feeding problem in the future. Why deny ones self the advantages of an improved case? Lawdog

Yukon Jack · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2005, 10:55:45 AM »

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And another advantage of the H&H's sloped shoulders is its ease of feeding. The steeper the shoulder, the greater the risk.

Seeing that the .375 Weatherby Magnum has been around for 60 years don't you think that any feeding problems, which never existed, would have been fixed? Sharper shoulders and belted cases dont mean there might be a feeding problem in the future. Why deny ones self the advantages of an improved case? Lawdog

It has been around for 60 years, but even Weatherby dropped it for several years in favor of their 378 Wby. As far as improved case being less reliable, it probably depends on the care of construction of the rifle. The H&H was designed for low pressures (India & Africa heat and cordite powders) and sloped for slicker than greased spit for reliability.

I just don't think there has been any marked improvement in the H&H, but that of course is debatable! If you need more than the H&H version, it is my opinion that you should go up in caliber size, not velocity. You aren't using a 375 for a 400 yard hunting rig.

I like the H&H and Lawdog like the Wby version and I think it is great that each of us can be satisfied with choices available today!!!

Lawdog · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2005, 12:41:04 PM »

Yukon Jack,

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It has been around for 60 years, but even Weatherby dropped it for several years in favor of their 378 Wby.

Now let's finish telling the rest of that story. Yeah Weatherby dropped the .375 Weatherby from their line for a few years DUE to decreased sales(not for any other reason like feeding problems or such) when they first brought out the .378 Weatherby. BUT it was the shooting public outcries that forced Weatherby to again add it to their line. A number of shooters, after buying the .378, found out it was a bit too much of a good thing. Yes the .375 H&H is a great cartridge but the advantage of the .375 Weatherby is that it lets you shoot both the H&H and Weatherby versions. Lawdog

Jimi · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2005, 01:51:05 PM »

Lawdog... didn't realize I was opening a debate about simple mechanics and physics. And I too am a fan of Weatherby conversions. My most favorite rifle is a .300H&H rechambered to .300Wby, and with the .375 I like the fact that you can shoot either case. But that is rather irrelevant since the topic is H&H vs. RUM, to which I stand by my statements. To be candid, there isn't much about the RUM or the WSM that I like. I view them as valueless marketing ploys that Americans keep buying into.

Ramrod · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2005, 11:46:55 AM »

Jimi, ok, I'm a bigot. But I'm going to repeat my reply to the original post, because most of the people who I respect, and actually know what they are talking about, agree with me here....

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Go with the .375 H&H. The reason being, if you need more killing power, more velovity ain't gonna do it. You will need a bigger bullet, something like a 500 grain .458.

If you think you have better advice, then go with it. It's your life, not mine.

Graybeard · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2005, 03:37:29 PM »

OK I've now wasted 10-15 minutes of my time fixing what folks who are supposed to be adults messed up for everyone else with childish behavior let's see if we can get back to an adult discussion of the topic. If not I either lock the thread or delete it or both. You all know to whom this was directly without anymore names being called.

No more baiting, name calling or personal attacks. CLEAR?

Ramrod · « **Reply #17 on:** December 14, 2005, 03:59:08 PM »

Sorrry Boss.

Sometimes :wink: I get a little over the top, especially when it come to responding to guys who reccommend a .300 magnum to a 15 year old for deer hunting. Being polite to these folks is required on this forum, I know, but it is an awfull hard thing to do .

msorenso · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2005, 02:34:19 AM »

nasem,
All of these guys are correct with what they have to say. I have a 375 RUM and do not regret the fact I own one.. When first looking I was so imprressed with ballistics I couldn't resist.. If its what you really want get one. They are trully unique to themselves. Ballistics the Remington gives you in their book is with a 24 inch barrel. When comparing it to a Weatherby they give theirs in 26 inch barrel so its hard to compare who is ahead if you were wondering. But from what I know the 375 Rum is a bit more than the 375 weatherby and a tad under the 378 with all things equal. Will I own a 375 h&h yes and probably soon, the nostaligia really is working on me. But the I wanted a 375RUM in a wood type stock and not sythetic and luckly last winter found one in LSS. If I could I would love to buy a used one in bdl walnut but yeat to have found one. I beleive Remington only makes it in XCR format in a 24 inch barrel not 26 . But if you want a custom I am sure they are more than happy to accomadate. Having more velosity is not a bad thing. Roy Waetherby beleived in it I guess I am right their with him.

Godd luck let us know what you decided. Either way you are the winner!

nasem · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2005, 01:44:58 PM »

well guys, I appreciate all the comments, I am thinking of getting a 375H&H, most of you recommended it and to be honest, Its not that far off from the 375 RUM, I mean, its a little bit slower, little bit less energy, but over all, they both produce one heck of a punch

The rifle im thinking about getting is winchester classic stainless 375h&h (synthetic stock), anyone know how the recoil handles on them (with a 1 lb scope) ?

Jimi · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2005, 05:39:53 AM »

Excellent choice, Nasem. My brother has that exact set-up and the recoil, while not negligible, is not a killer either. I put 20 rounds through it without a bruise. I think the fear of a .375H&H's recoil is far worse than the reality. Just make sure it is firmly planted into your shoulder and you will have a lifetime of great fun with it. It is an amazingly flexible cartridge, too... you can hunt anything down to pigs and whitetails. I've taken pronghorn with it and they die just fine. The hole might be a little bigger than is strictly necessary, but there is otherwise no meat damage... many people forget that... though I think many on this BB know the truth of the matter.

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2006, 01:13:56 PM »

Having fired both the H&H and the RUM the RUM is hands down the rifle to get.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum

msorenso · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2006, 12:35:30 PM »

I love the H&H but i do Have to say,
Well put Rem Mag

bullitt375 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2006, 03:53:57 PM »

I HAVE ENJOYED MY M70 375 H & H FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS NOW AND DO NOT SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE AND TO MARK ITS 30 TH. ANIVERSARY I HAD MY DEER WITH IT BY 7: 30 FIRST DAY WITH NOSLER'S FIRST RUN 0F 260 GR. BILISTIC TIPS . DEER FELL OVER WITHOUT TAKING A STEP AT APPROX 175 YDS. AND A LOT LESS DAMAGE THAN 300 MAGS AND SUCH. IF YOU OPT FOR WINCHESTER DO IT SUPER QUICK & ITS VALUE WILL ONLY GO UP AS WIN IS SUPOSED TO STOP LAST OF MAR. 2006

corbanzo · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2006, 05:28:47 PM »

I was looking at the .375RUM in the cz550, but then, for the same reason as you, as I wanted to get just a BFRifle, decided to go with the .458LOTT. Nevermind ballistics, you want a boomstick, that is a good one. Never know when an elephant is going to jump out from behind a cottonwood. :-D Plus its fun to show off when your buddies take out their .375's and you put them to shame.

msorenso · « **Reply #25 on:** January 27, 2006, 05:26:43 AM »

Didn't know cz made a 375 rum???

or did you mean H&H??