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Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C
« on: January 02, 2006, 02:16:20 AM »
Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C. I heard a rumor, has anyone else heard this? If he did I would understand why, I did over 4 years ago myself.  :D
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2006, 03:03:28 AM »
its a done deal,he now promotes T/C on all his new shows.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2006, 04:58:50 AM »
All this boils down to is that money talks. I'm a T/C guy myself, but not because of any "celebrity" endorsemsnts.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2006, 05:29:05 AM »
I know my Omega and Encore have been the best BP rifles I've owned so far......... never have been interested in a Knight...............sure they are good rifles...too high for me though.
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2006, 05:45:43 AM »
TC has more gunwriters in their pocket than any other manufacturer bar none. I'm thinking Swaroski is likely next in line behind them. Remington puts more of their money into TV shows than writer's pockets apparently whereas Browning/Winchester puts their money in the rag writer's pockets.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2006, 12:55:38 PM »
The thing that angers me is the very first show where he talks about switching to a T/C, the hunt he uses a Knight. I now that the footage was shot prior to the decision to switch. Thru editing they tried not to show the gun, but its kind of like a bait and switch. I own both Knights and a T/C. They are both good guns, with good points and bad. It just stinks that money talks in this industry. Gone are the days where you use the gun that you love and trust. Seen an article talking about shooting a grizzly with a 375 H&H Encore, the only thing that should be shot on that trip was the gun writer. He should have been using a repeating rifle for his guides sake as well as his. I frankly was hoping the bear ate him.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2006, 01:50:17 PM »
i have never shot a Knight and I imagine they are very good and have been very happy with my T/C`s, good quality, better accuracy. With this said, yes, money talks and Shockey is very popular. Jack.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2006, 02:32:36 PM »
I would Love to have his job!
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2006, 02:43:39 PM »
Im gettin tired of him wounding big game with his ML and finishing it off with the guides center fire,Jim needs some shootin lessons.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2006, 04:18:51 PM »
That was the first time that I ever seen him have to finish off a animal after first shooting it with a muzzleloader. I have been watching his show from day 1 and shockey is a good shot. :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2006, 01:19:51 AM »
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The thing that angers me is the very first show where he talks about switching to a T/C, the hunt he uses a Knight. I now that the footage was shot prior to the decision to switch. Thru editing they tried not to show the gun, but its kind of like a bait and switch. I own both Knights and a T/C. They are both good guns, with good points and bad. It just stinks that money talks in this industry. Gone are the days where you use the gun that you love and trust. Seen an article talking about shooting a grizzly with a 375 H&H Encore, the only thing that should be shot on that trip was the gun writer. He should have been using a repeating rifle for his guides sake as well as his. I frankly was hoping the bear ate him.


There is nothing wrong with a single shot rifle for any game. I went on a water buffalo hunt with my Encore in 416 Rigby. One shot is all it took.  Accuracy is what counts. I had it reload in no time and if needed I would of taken a second shot. Even when dangerous game are hunted the guide is usually a back up and some times a second or third shot is needed.

NONYA, even when center fire guns are used, a cape buffalo sometimes requires more than one shot. They are tough animals.  :D
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2006, 11:12:57 AM »
:x I'm tired of seeing Shockey hawking SOOO many products in print ads, powder, bullets, rifles, you name it. I can't fault a guy for trying to earn a good living, but IMO it hurts his credibility in terms of tests and evaluations, etc. Besides I don't particularly care for some of the stuff he touts that I have tried myself, and my guts tell me some others are less than his endorsement might be intended to imply.

I take his opinions with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2006, 02:16:40 PM »
I agree Redhawk that accuarcy is what counts. 90% of all the game I've taken has been with a single shot. However when hunting game that can just as easily eat you than the other way araound, I just think common sense dictates that more than one in the tube is a much better way to go. I to can reload very quickly, but I've never had to do it with a wounded animal heading right for me or my guide. Nor have I had to shoot a dangerous animal charging out of the tall grass. I just think it puts a bad idea into the head of many weekend warriors that read these articles or watch these shows.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2006, 02:55:30 PM »
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I agree Redhawk that accuarcy is what counts. 90% of all the game I've taken has been with a single shot. However when hunting game that can just as easily eat you than the other way araound, I just think common sense dictates that more than one in the tube is a much better way to go. I to can reload very quickly, but I've never had to do it with a wounded animal heading right for me or my guide. Nor have I had to shoot a dangerous animal charging out of the tall grass. I just think it puts a bad idea into the head of many weekend warriors that read these articles or watch these shows.


I agree, if I go on a brown bear hunt or cape buffalo hunt, I will have my CZ 550 in 416 Rigby with me.  :D
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2006, 03:00:50 PM »
I would just make sure my guide had a good bolt backup rifle........I would use a single shot for the challenge.........
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Re: Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2006, 04:22:59 PM »
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Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C. I heard a rumor, has anyone else heard this? If he did I would understand why, I did over 4 years ago myself.  :D


How do you know he dropped Knight, maybe they dropped him? T/C will take anybody that can pimp a rifle.  :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2006, 05:33:48 PM »
I think I could pimp a rifle is they let me hunt for a living.  I'd pimp dang near anything for a chance to hunt for a living. :-D
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Re: Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2006, 01:58:22 AM »
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Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C. I heard a rumor, has anyone else heard this? If he did I would understand why, I did over 4 years ago myself.  :D


How do you know he dropped Knight, maybe they dropped him? T/C will take anybody that can pimp a rifle.  :wink:


I don't know for sure, that is why I said I heard a rumor.  :D  If someone was going to pay for me to hunt full time, I would pimp there product also.

I switched from Knight to T/C on my own. I was shooting an Encore when it was not a popular gun. I was the odd man out, a lot of my buddies were shooting Knight, Remingtons and CVA's. Well, they all come over to the dark side and are all shooting Encore M/L's. Must be something good about them.  :D
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Re: Jim Shockey dropping Knight and going to T/C
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2006, 03:25:02 AM »
How do you know he dropped Knight, maybe they dropped him? T/C will take anybody that can pimp a rifle.  :wink:[/quote]




I would highly doudt that Knight dropped Shockey--Like him or not he is a huge muzzleloading cash cow(as well as quite comical). :grin:
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2006, 06:56:09 AM »
In this case it has nothing to do with quality of equipment the traditional consumer receives. I own an Encore. For a mass production rilfe it has functioned as well as could be expected. Some attention to detail and tlc made a world of difference. T/C would not need to close the doors in order to put the extra two man hours required to ship out a first class product.  

Why did I select the Encore? 90% of the time it is used with custom components from .17 to 460 sw.  

Jim has to do what is in his best interest. I wonder if in the near future we may see him slipping a centerfire round in that Encore?

We do what is in our best interest and both Knight and T/C will still produce safe functional products that could use some improvements.  




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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2006, 07:08:37 AM »
I know someone who knows Knight folks and it's my understanding he left Knight over a disagreement about his American Pioneer endorsements. It's second or third hand so it may not be accurate or the entire story but it's what I heard.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2006, 10:56:20 PM »
Shockey would endorse a M/L that I made in my garage if I offered him enough money. I don't pay attention to paid endorsements. If he's leaving Knight after all these years, you can bet the bottom line is dollars.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2006, 08:33:25 AM »
My opinion on this topic. Whats in an endoresment? Its just to hook the newbie.

Wow I have to buy one of these. Must be good if the guy on TV says so!!  :roll:

I can't say first hand never owning a Knight rifle but I'd bet they are a high quality, accurate "American Made" muzzleloader. I'd bet they were before Jim Shockey and will continue to be after.

I know T/C Arms makes high quality, accurate "American Made" firearms. I've been shooting T/C products long before Jim Shockey made the scene. I believe they will continue to do so no matter who or if anyone endoreses their products.

Its big business.  CVA has a celebrity touting their products. I'd bet they were........................... Nope won't go there. :lol:  :lol:

Wow I'm a nobody and I just made an endorsement for "American Made" firearms. So take endorsements for what they are worth.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2006, 09:00:31 AM »
I don't go by  endoresments either, I was shooting an Encore before it was cool.  :D  :-D
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2006, 01:53:06 PM »
the knights are over priced anyway , i have a friend that tests for knight and i haven't seen anything that impressed me in the new knight ml's. my old cva shoots as well and cost  1/3 as much. the t/c ml's always shoot good ,but for what a barrel cost for a encore you can buy a new gun.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2006, 01:54:51 AM »
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the knights are over priced anyway , i have a friend that tests for knight and i haven't seen anything that impressed me in the new knight ml's. my old cva shoots as well and cost  1/3 as much. the t/c ml's always shoot good ,but for what a barrel cost for a encore you can buy a new gun.


Not right now they're not. IF you know the right people. Knight's selling excess inventory through selected dealers.

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Why would someone buy a CVA right now? :lol:
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2006, 02:16:35 PM »
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the knights are over priced anyway , i have a friend that tests for knight and i haven't seen anything that impressed me in the new knight ml's. my old cva shoots as well and cost  1/3 as much. the t/c ml's always shoot good ,but for what a barrel cost for a encore you can buy a new gun.


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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2006, 06:10:39 PM »
could you send me the dealer name ,address,and no. my son is looking for a new gun......walter
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2006, 05:38:55 AM »
A quote from Shockey's website.

Comments: Hi Jim - Long time fan. Just wondering if you have switched over from Knight to Thompson Center? I saw an American Pioneer Products ad and you were holding a T/C - jut curious.*******TOM GLAD YOUÂ’RE A LONG TIME FAN, I APPRECIATE THAT. AS FAR AS SWITCHING OVER YES I HAVE. FOR YEARS I SHOT TONY KNIGHTS DESIGNED MK85 AND TONYÂ’S DISC RIFLE. THE NEWER KNIGHTS WERE NOT DESIGNED BY TONY AND I TRIED USING ONE FOR A YEAR AND HAVE DECIDED TO SWITCH OVER TO THE THOMPSON CENTER LINE OF MUZZLELOADERS. USING THE ENCORE IÂ’VE HAD ONE OF THE BEST STRINGS OF ONE SHOT KILLS IÂ’VE HAD IN YEARS SO IÂ’M VERY HAPPY WITH THE CHANGE. IÂ’M A HUNTER AND ITS MY OPINION I SHOULD USE THE BEST PRODUCT AVAILABLE TO DO MY JOB ETHICALLY AND AS CONSISTANTLY AS POSSIBLE AND THATÂ’S WHY IÂ’VE SWITCHED OVER.
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