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Offline Mainer

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Problem With Bullet Lube
« on: February 05, 2006, 10:37:29 AM »
I'm relatively new to handloading.

I've been loading light .44 Mag. loads with 240 gn LSWC commercially cast bullets.  The problem is the bullets have a thick, waxy, gray-colored lube that gets smeared on the cases.

I've been wiping down each round to remove the lube after bullet seating but before crimping.  I'm also having to clean lube out of the seating die.

Dealing with this nasty bullet lube is doubling the time of reloading--that is a problem because I want to load large quantities for plinking and time is precious.  Is this typical of commercial cast lead bullets or would a switch to another brand solve the situation?
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 04:41:59 PM »
When reloading with cast lead bullets, I can't remember the lube being that troublesome.  I think you ought to try a different brand of bullets.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2006, 06:38:30 PM »
Mainer there is a easy fix to your problem (1) take all your bullets and boil them in water to get the lube off to do this get a pot of water boling and drop in 1or2 at a tims to let the lube flote to the top of the water (2)  give me your adress and pay the shiping and I will send you some liquid alox the shipping will be about $5.00 and then alox your bullets no more mess  :D Forest T

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2006, 02:29:35 PM »
Mainer, Loading cast bullets requires an extra step in case preparation. It is called neck expanding or mouth belling. This is done with a universal expanding die with the stem turned down far enough to put a slight (just enough to barely see and feel) widening on the case mouth. This bell allows the bullet to enter the case without the case mouth shaving lead/ lube from the bullet. I use a Lee expanding die with a suggested retail of $12.98, but most shooter's supply outfits sell them a couple of bucks cheaper than that. I sold my RCBS lubersizer a decade ago, and now use the inexpensive, but easier to use Lee sizer die that screws into the reloading press, and liquid alox lube. I still use the expander die to avoid the case mouth cutting lead and lube from the bullet
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2006, 03:27:01 PM »
Thanks, guys, for the replies. :D

Cowpox:  I do expand my cases before seating the bullets.  Based on your description, I expand them too much. Plus I'm not shaving any lead.  The problem is the lube on these particular bullets is really sloppy stuff.

I can buy the bullets "naked" (without the lube) from the same company--Northeastern bullets.  So maybe I should do that and apply my own lube.  They're only $47.00/thousand including shipping for hardcast 240 gn LSWC.  That's hard to beat.

Forest T: can you tell me how liquid alox is applied?  I see in Lee's catalog that they have a bullet lube and sizing kit.  Is that advisable?

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2006, 08:34:16 PM »
A lot of bullet companies tumble lube their bullets.  This is fast and cheap, but can leave them gooey and sticky, especially in warm weather.  Some of the commercial casters will use a 'hard' lube that requires a heated sizing process.  These usually only have lube in the lube grooves and will not have the problems you describe.   Spend a little more and get away from the tumble lubed bullets.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2006, 10:35:58 AM »
Mainer, You haven't expanded the case too much, until it won't fit into the seating die. I try to expand the case as little as possible to get extra loadings before the brass "work hardens", and case mouths begin to split. The Lee sizer kit you describe is what I have used for the last 12 years. I suppose they are not pleasing to everyone, but I like mine. They are three or four times faster than a lubersizer, and no mess. You need one for every caliber, but at the time I bought mine, they were less than 1/2 the cost of a sizer die, top punch, and bottom punch for a lubersizer.  To apply the liquid allox lube is simple and easy. I put 100 or so bullets in the tall round baby wipes container (coffee or fruit juice can, ice cream pail, etc., would work too), squeeze a couple of teaspoons of lube around on top of them, then shake the can around for a minute or so. If there is not enough lube to suit you, squeeze on a little more until you have a coat that covers the bullets, but not so much that it will drain off and puddle in the bottom of the container. I just leave them in the same container until they are dry enough to handle without getting sticky hands. Depending on temperature and humidity, this can be from overnight to 3 or 4 days. I have found that putting a small amount of lube on, and letting dry overnight before sizing, makes them slip through the sizing die a lot easier.  Then put more lube on after sizing. The lube coats the entire bullet, but is no problem in the box. However, I think it might pick up grit in a cartridge belt or speed loader, so when I carry them that way, I use a cotton rag with mineral spirits to wipe the exposed portion of the bullet clean after loading.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2006, 02:20:54 PM »
Thanks for the info. :D
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