Author Topic: rust problems (Read 847 times)

17 hummer · « **on:** June 30, 2006, 03:30:26 PM »

have any of you had any problems with rust on a nef sportster 17 hmr i just oiled mine and it is all ready rusting (HELP ME)

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2006, 08:32:42 PM »

Nope, whatcha using for oil? If you're referring to the brown discoloration on patches, it's not rust, you need to clean it well first. See Cleaning and Lapping in the NEF/H&R Centerfire FAQ and Help sticky.

Tim

lesgeaux · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:33:23 AM »

I am wondering about my new sportster 22 as well. I think you are referring to the outside of the barrell. I just got mine and it is a little different than my sportster 17hm2 that I got 8 months ago. The hm2 barrel is smooth as glass and excellent blueing, the 22 barrel is a bit grainy and not as pollished as the hm2 and thanks to Tallyho, I have figured out that the front sight blade is .08" too high. I think they put a front sight for a Superlight on my rifle, won't know for sure until after their summer break, but I am pretty sure.

For my 22 since no rust has started I have rubbed in militec and will probably use some car wax on it to try to make a wax seal on the outside to keep out moisture.

For your problem, if the rust is just light you might try liberally useing Breakfreel and rub it down real good with a coarse cotton cloth to remove the light rust and not damage the blueing and then use something like a wax to seal out any moisture. If the rust won't rub out. You may want to try getting some Evapo-rust and soak the barrel to eliminate all the rust, put some cold blue to get at the rust you just cleaned with the Evapo-rust and then keep it good and oiled and/or some type of sealer.

Do a google on the Evapo-rust and I think Midway also sells it.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2006, 04:49:07 AM »

Most current H&R barrels are not smooth, some Ultras have a smooth texture but they are the exception. I have 30 barrels including 3 rimfires, few are "nice" unless they're Ultras or they've been refinished. Older barrels seem to have nicer finishes.

I wouldn't recommend using steel wool on them unless you want to refinish and reblue, the bluing is rather thin and it doesn't take much wear to have a bare spot. :cry:

I wouldn't recommend Militec-1 to anyone, it's not a very good rust preventative, even WD40 provides better protection.

Tim

http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:38:16 AM »

From what i have seen so far , H&R is trying to keep costs down and one way is to spend less time polishing before the bluing process .

If they save 1 min. per barrel that works out to about 10 man hours a week , at which saves them about $1000 a week in production costs .

Over the course of a year that adds up to money we save on the cost of our handi's . for the price of a little gun oil i can live with the field grade finish .

17 hummer · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:10:18 PM »

it not the barrel thats rusting it is the hinge and the reciver
is it just crappy blueing

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:17:21 PM »

I have 2 Sportster frames, neither has a problem rusting, the matte finish is pretty rust resistant in itself.

If you have a defective finish on your frame, I'd contact H&R and see what they have to say, you're the first to mention a problem. I would expect that a good cleaning and using a good protectant would solve the problem, tho. :wink: If there are some residual blueing salts on the metal, cleaning it should eliminate the problem.

Tim

17 hummer · « **Reply #7 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:51:13 PM »

thankz
i figued out the prob though it is were i store the gun i kept it in the
basemen it is not a living floor it just is a foundation and dirt hole it get way
to much moister down there thus causing rust

i got a nother question can you free float a sportster barrel if so how

by the way nice buck what type of gun did u use

rangerruck · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:16:29 PM »

find some sweetshooters, very expensive, but really works. dunk the whole thing. never rust again. to whit:
as an aside; i bought an old marlin mod 81 off an auction site, really wanted this rifle ,as it shoots all the 22 rounds, holds 25 shorts in the tube, and has a factory peep site! could not tell from the site pics how bad a shape it was in, but he had said it had no bluing, was rusty, and the action was rough. So i took a chance and bought it. when i got it , and took it out of the shipping box , IT WAS ORANGE! i was horrified to say the least. complete rust bucket. i remebered talking to the sweetshooters guy here a bunch, so i deciced to buy some at the next show and give it a shot.
took it out of the stock, stood it up vertically , and for the next week , every time i walked by the rifle, I toothbrushed it down, from muzzle to action, lightly scrubbing all the springs and stuff in the action, getting some down the muzzle , etc. had it standing in a shallow stainless pan.
after 1 week, except for no bluing whatsoever, it looked fantastic. So I decided to see if the guy was lying to me , about it totally keeping moisture away from all surfaces, and gave it a torture test. i put it in a fur type lined, 40 year old rifle bag, and put it in the back of my car, from march to the end of may. In Houston, that means you will go from cold drizzly weather, to humidity and heat in may and june being the same reading!
During this time, it rained in buckets, steamed up the inside of my car, plus when i put it in my trunk, my trunk is leaky!
I pulled it out , first week of June, and not one spot more of rust on it anywhere! I went back to the dude at the next gunshow, and showed him the rifle! he told me to write the company and tell them. Even he was pretty impressed with that one.

no rubbing or buffing of any kind, and look how shiny and clean this thing looks,after leaving it in my car, i
have fired a 1000 rounds through it , and have not cleaned it yet! look at the bolt , handle, trigger and mag pusher. remember this thing is 70 years old, and was completely pitted over , and a total rust bucket.
I just remembered one more thing, if you use this on your saiga, since they are not blued and just basically painted, let it thoroughly air dry! if you wipe it off while it is still damp, it will be under your paint, and will wipe it right off! So let it dry thoroughly, i started to wipe mine off, just a little on the rear right of the receiver, and the paint start to swirl on me! so i stopped immediately.