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Offline 375Wthby

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416 Rigby / 458 Lott??
« on: February 16, 2006, 04:31:48 AM »
Hey all,

Planning a hunt to Africa with my Dad in a year....(may be our last hunt together)...anyhoo...I'm taking my Model 70 375 Wthby as a "General Purpose" rifle and am torn between the 416 Rigby and the 458 Lott.  This will be a Ruger #1 either way...that's been decided.  (Used them on the big bears while in Alaska)  Checking out ballistics...a 400 grain out of the Rigby can be boosted to 2600 fps...almost Wthby velocity.  Makes it flatter shooting than 375 H&H.  Just having a hard time figuring out what I can expect from the Lott.  Recoil's not an issue for me...it is for Dad though...lol   Anyway, any suggestions / information offered would be greatly appreciated!!
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 06:19:49 AM »
first of all, your post is much more appropirate in the Afrian Hunting form, the moderator there is JJhack and he is a PH.

My opinion would be this, if your going to go dangerous game hunting, the most important thing is to be able to place your bullet at the right spot (no room for errors).  god knows what would happen if you shoot at a very large animal (elephant / buffalo) and you hit it in the wrong spot, your gonna have one ticked off "thing" after you.

Honestly, some of the most experienced hunters prefer to pick the biggest caliber that they can shoot VERY accuratly.  When your going after dangerous game, bullet placement is 1000 times more important that bullet power/energy.

point of the story....Go with the caliber you can shoot it most accuratly, if you can shoot the 416 more accuratly than the 458, your best pick is the 416.  Now if you can shoot a 375 h&h more accuratly, then thats your best pick.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2006, 02:27:56 PM »
I'll move it...thank you
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2006, 04:58:12 PM »
I guess it depends which one you shoot the best. That would be my choice. Accuracy is the most important thing when hunting dangerous game. I like the 416 Rigby myself.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2006, 05:34:37 AM »
I, myself have been kicking around the same dilema on a caliber to round out my midrange battery. I've decided on the Ruger magnum rifle and have been trying to decide between 416 & 458 Lott. For a long time a favored the 416, but have recently finallized on the 458 Lott for these reasons: Bullet selection is so great, from 250-600 grainers. I'm thinking to make two types of loads, one a flat-shooting spire piont type in 300-400 grains for my plains type game and the other a 450-500 grainer for the heavies. I would mount two seperate scopes, probably the Leupold 1.5-5 VX-111 for the heavies & maybe a 2-7 size for the plains rounds, both in Talley QD rings. Trajectories on the lighter bullet would be fine to 250-300 yards. Plus, the straight wall cases are so easy to load and last forever. Then if I need a short-range stopper, just remove the scope & go to the integral express sights, plus w/ 2 scopes you have a back up if one fails. The reason I consider this my mid-range round is I have a 300 Win for the light stuff & a 600 JDJ for heavy use. This would give me a good, flexible, all around rifle in the middle.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 06:27:48 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2006, 06:46:06 PM »
I think Dictator hit on it, the 458 lott is much more versatile than the rigby. The choice of bullets is much greater, and in a pinch 458 win ammo can be used safely.
Those are the reasons I chose the lott in a nutshell...
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2006, 04:11:21 AM »
Lott :D
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2006, 10:12:51 AM »
Most things that take that much cartridge to kill are also grumpy about getting killed.  Elephants will make an example of you.  Buffalo got the way they are by being able to successfully fight off lions.  Most of the time, it seems these 'critters will lie down and die nicely when hit, but some of them will come after you... or you have to follow THEM into thick stuff where they're waiting for you.  Having a chance to take a 2nd shot is highly valued.

A while back, I got a #1 in .458 win at a great price.  I Love the rifle.  Won't give it up.  I've loaded it with 400 gr semi-spire points, which it shoots with amazing accuracy.  However, I've been convinced through conversations with others that a nice CRF might be a very important thing to save one's life.  On the other hand, one charge sequence showed 6 shots in 42 secs to bring down a buff... that's roughly 7 secs/shot, and THEY came from at least 2 shooters.  Seems to me that kind of firepower could be mustered from a Ruger #1.  But I did get a Ruger 77 RSM in .458 Lott.  That is also a very accurate shooter (it makes sub-moa for me off a bench).  I'm putting together a trip which I *hope* can include buffalo.  I'm not sure if I'll be able to get that in... but it might be my last chance to get to Africa to hunt them, too (wives can be so unreasonable about such things -- particularly the $'s).  While the 77 is growing on me, I think I still prefer the balance and shootability of the  Ruger #1 in .458 win.

I don't know that I'm even writing to convince you one way or the other.  I'm just sharing some of the things that have gone through my head while I've been thinking about this.  I hope it might be useful to you too...

Good luck with your deliberations!!

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2006, 10:19:32 AM »
Most things that take that much cartridge to kill are also grumpy about getting killed.  Elephants will make an example of you.  Buffalo got the way they are by being able to successfully fight off lions.  Most of the time, it seems these 'critters will lie down and die nicely when hit, but some of them will come after you... or you have to follow THEM into thick stuff where they're waiting for you.  Having a chance to take a 2nd shot is highly valued.

A while back, I got a #1 in .458 win at a great price.  I Love the rifle.  Won't give it up.  I've loaded it with 400 gr semi-spire points, which it shoots with amazing accuracy.  However, I've been convinced through conversations with others that a nice CRF might be a very important thing to save one's life.  On the other hand, one charge sequence showed 6 shots in 42 secs to bring down a buff... that's roughly 7 secs/shot, and THEY came from at least 2 shooters.  Seems to me that kind of firepower could be mustered from a Ruger #1.  But I did get a Ruger 77 RSM in .458 Lott.  That is also a very accurate shooter (it makes sub-moa for me off a bench).  I'm putting together a trip which I *hope* can include buffalo.  I'm not sure if I'll be able to get that in... but it might be my last chance to get to Africa to hunt them, too (wives can be so unreasonable about such things -- particularly the $'s).  While the 77 is growing on me, I think I still prefer the balance and shootability of the  Ruger #1 in .458 win.

I don't know that I'm even writing to convince you one way or the other.  I'm just sharing some of the things that have gone through my head while I've been thinking about this.  I hope it might be useful to you too...

Good luck with your deliberations!!

Dan
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