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Offline wolfe 21

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« on: February 09, 2006, 09:09:02 AM »
I have a .223 heavy barrel handi bought used.  Added Tasco 6-24x42 scope, not the best I know but right price at the time, and a bipod.  Off the sandbags and a bench I can't get a 100 yd group that's inside 5 or 6 inches with the winchester White Box varmints, 45gr HP, or Remington ammo, 55gr FMJ.  I don't know if it's the scope or what.  Everything seems to be tight, and I tried the scope on a .22LR and it seemed to hold zero pretty well and had decent groups for 100 yds.  I am also going to try Black hills ammo, 40gr NBT, to see if the ammo is the problem.  I'm about ready to trade on a bolt gun or sell it out right if this doesn't shape up.  Any suggestions to improve accuracy, rule out the scope malfunctions.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 10:07:41 AM »
A few things i'd try , first support the rifle at or as near the pivit point that you can , my 223 HB does not shoot well of a bi-pod out front of the forarm .

Next make sure that you pull the trigger all the way back , having a transfer bar system they tend to not get proper primer contact with the standard trigger break method .

Last check the FAQ at the top of the forum , there are a lot of useful tricks to help H&R/NEF rifles shoot better .

Just a note , it took about 50 rounds even after i polished everything to get mine to come around . now it shoots 1/2 to 3/4 at 100 for me .
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2006, 10:16:39 AM »
Yeap, and also check for the little things like a small bur or nick at the muzzle, Lock up tight and no play in it, all mounts tight and secure, rings?,
any gap between the reciever and barrel after lock up, excessive pressure in the barrel?,these are just a couple things plus what Stimply wrote that could very well be your culprit.
-Aaron
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2006, 10:27:37 AM »
The guy that sold it to you probably dumped it for the same reason.  Some will just never shoot, trade it off for a Stevens 200 and put that scope on it  before you pull all your hair out.  Larry
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bad .223 groups
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2006, 12:40:42 PM »
I had the same trouble, rough and long chamber.  I had a friend rechamber to 22-250 and my troubles were over, it does like light 52gr or less bullets.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2006, 06:26:17 PM »
I would also give a good free float a try.... see the faqs.

John
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2006, 09:21:38 PM »
i agree with with norsman try a free float first be fore getting rid of it .

bernie :D
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2006, 01:12:36 AM »
Check the scope and scope mount.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 05:26:51 AM »
If you bought it used..did you notice if it was cleaned out completely before you started shooting it?..You never know what or how many rounds have gone thru it before buying it..so..I'd would check everything mentioned so-far..take off the mount clean out the screw holes and re-lock-tite it..and I'd get some foaming bore cleaner and use it following all the directions..and clean it a few times and get all the copper and fouling out of it..and then try it again..this time shooting it off the reciever/hinge pin area and a good front rest...then try the bi-pods and see how it does..If it hasn't been shot much..it may take a bunch of rounds thru it to settle down..and you could speed up that process by lapping it with flitz or other simalar products..

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 05:45:42 AM »
Mine likes the 40 gr. moly coated V max's. You'll have to shoot 15 or 20 rds. before it'll start shooting better though.  Digger
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 11:52:47 AM »
Here's my suggestion, clean it good and shoot it, if it still shoots 5"-6" groups at 100 yards send it back to the factory. New to you or used, if it's a fairly new gun that has not been modified or abused they will work on it for you for free under their warranty. Their CS section is top notch....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 12:21:57 PM »
Most people don't sell guns that shoot well.  They usually keep guns that work well and get rid of guns that don't.  Ever think about that?  

Next time you go to a gun/pawn shop, look at all those used rifles on the racks and ask yourself why do you suppose the previous owners sold them?  

They didn't like the feel of it, it jammed a lot, it wasn't accurate, it was too picky, it rusted too easily, the trigger sucked, it wouldn't shoot consitantly, etc.  

There's your answer.  :)  Now YOU get to deal with those problems.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 12:47:06 PM »
Quote from: stiff neck
Most people don't sell guns that shoot well.  They usually keep guns that work well and get rid of guns that don't.  Ever think about that?  



While a-lot of folks do indeed dump guns that have serious problems..that isn't always the case..you just have to know what to look for and be selective on where and who you buy from,and every now and then you'll run across a few gems that someone had to sell because of money issues or such..I've been in that situation before,and had to sell off some real good shooters.and I have certainly found a few gems just sitting collecting dust on some dealers shelves..

I went out to a few of the pawn shops around here this afternoon..and the only NEF/H&R's I found were real old shot guns in need of some TLC..all locked up tight and had decent trigger pulls..but wasn't really in the market to buy any,but some of the bolt guns looked like they had been used for pry bars...some had cracked stocks and bent barrels...and 1 mod 700 Rem had the bolt rusted shut..:shock:...sad shape these were in...that's for sure...

Mac
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 02:49:15 PM »
I was at about the same point with my .243. The problem with it was a long chamber. Since I handload, I just seated the bullets out further. This solved my problem, but it will not help anyone using those nice cheap Win white box (my .223 contender loves these).

good luck

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Re: uh huh
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2006, 03:10:53 PM »
Quote from: stiff neck
Most people don't sell guns that shoot well.  They usually keep guns that work well and get rid of guns that don't.



i guess you've never needed money
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 03:34:01 PM »
I still feel bad about selling my pre 64 Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 with a special factory mid weight sporter barrel. I needed some more money to get enough for the down payment on of first (and current) home. The fellow I sold it to, a former officer of the NRA, knew I did not want to sell it, he told me I could buy it back when I could afford it at the same price I sold it to him for, what a gentleman he was!!! A few years later I went to by it, but he had died and his widow had sent it to her son in Georgia (if I remember correctly). That guy would not even talk to me on the phone, he knew I was trying to buy back my favorite gun. I had bought it used from a buddy that only fired about a box of ammo through it, He even gave me the box of mostly empties with 3-4 loaded rounds left in it. It was the finest gun I had ever owned up until that time, and I sold it to get my family a home. I really wish I had it now. Some good guns are sold....<><.... :cry:
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 04:42:30 PM »
Thanks for all the ideas.  I will have to try moving the rest back as I have been shooting off the forearm as I do with my bolt action rimfires.  I've also thought about floating the barrel, but never had the time as I shoot rimfire the most and only bought this gun for the occasional groundhog.
   Now as to what Stiff Neck said, the gun was traded by the original owner at a local gunshop with less than 100 rounds because he was moving up to a .243.  I myself have only put about 80 rounds through it so that may also be the problem.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2006, 04:51:09 AM »
Don't forget that you must pull the trigger all the way through on a handi, not just to the point of the break like you can with other actions.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2006, 04:32:33 PM »
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Most people don't sell guns that shoot well. They usually keep guns that work well and get rid of guns that don't. Ever think about that?

  :? Maybe you wound up with my "ex-headache". I traded it straight across for a new Savage 93R17. It's a keeper  :grin:
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