Author Topic: NEF New Owner (Read 1065 times)

tstevens41 · « **on:** February 22, 2006, 04:49:27 AM »

I bought my NEF right after Christmas and have loved shooting that gun. I am a Superintendent for a small school in the Texas Panhandle, so I don't have a lot of time to work up reloads, so i have enjoyed reading all the posts about the handloads. I will use several of them to see what works in this gun. Keep the good advice going guys!

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2006, 05:00:07 AM »

Welcome aboard,Stevens. Check out the Praire dog shoot forum that we're going to in June.Its in Guymon Ok. and there will be several of us there. Digger

tstevens41 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2006, 05:11:22 AM »

Sounds like lots of fun. I wish I had more time to go to hunts like that, but my job calls for me to be here at the school a lot. I get lucky to sneak off on Sunday afternoon and shoot dogs around here. We have a million around so I don't have to go far to do all the shooting that I want to. I bet you guys have a great time in Ok.

myarmor · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2006, 05:31:49 AM »

Welcome to Graybeards :agree:
So what caliber did you get for your new Handi?
Wish I could afford the trip to the shoot, I'm sure it would be awesome.
-Aaron

tstevens41 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2006, 06:34:10 AM »

I bought the .223 with the bull barrel. I have a 22-250 that I have had for an eternity. I wanted something to shoot at the dogs that was not quite as expensive as that 22-250 was. You can get or reload .223's for a song and a dance. I really like how it shoots. I just need some advice on what are good loads to try in my gun.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2006, 06:39:31 AM »

Welcome aboard!!!

I would look no further than your local Walmart and try the Winchester whitebox 45gr JHP at $14 for 40 rounds, they are truly the gold standard of .223 factory AND choice of many handloaders cuz it's so accurate, and real hard to beat.

Tim

tstevens41 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2006, 06:45:17 AM »

I have shot the Winchester 45 JHP's. They do shoot well. You don't understand, to keep my sanity in check I need a good hobby. I have found that realoading is the most relaxing thing that i can do because it calls for total concentration and attention. Going to Walmart to buy a box of shells isn't relaxing enough for me, so i need reloading information. But thanks for the good advice, if you reload, i would be interested in what has worked well in your gun.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2006, 08:58:05 AM »

Can't help ya with reloads for the .223, the WWB shoot so good, I don't even try to duplicate it as many others will agree, it's tough to do, many have given up trying.....but I do keep all that great win brass just in case things change!! :wink:

The search feature (when it works!!! :roll: ) will yield many threads on the subject....

Tim

tstevens41 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2006, 10:37:33 AM »

I agree with ya. I keep two of the White boxes around just in case i shoot up all that I have loaded and one of my friends invites me to go out and pop a few. Thanks for the response.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2006, 11:23:17 AM »

, Welcome aboard tstevens41, glad to have you here!!! Come on guys there must be someone out there that has a favorite .223 load to share with our new buddy...how about it quick, what have you got?....<><.... :grin:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2006, 11:32:14 AM »

The search feature has been hit or miss for too long, today it's a miss, sorry. :oops:

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2006, 11:40:26 AM »

Thanks for trying quick, I knew you'd be right on it!!!....<><.... :grin:

tstevens41 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2006, 01:47:03 PM »

I appreciate any help that you guys can give me. I have been reading this site for several months before i bought my .223. I wanted to see the pros and cons of the gun and any remarks on the bullets. I have gleaned a lot of information off of this web site. I have found that there are several loads that work pretty well. The last time we went out i wound up hitting several dogs out at around 300 yards. It seems to me that it isn't the gun or the loads, It's me. I can't seem to hold as steady at 52 that I could at 25. I have about figured out that if I can do may part the gun and the bullets will do their part. Getting older isn't much fun.

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2006, 03:08:08 PM »

When I find a good factory load I try to duplicate it.

I started with some Remington 44 mag loads that shot real good in my pistol. I pulled a bullet from one and took a look at the powder--I figured it had to be an IMR powder and it looked a lot like 4227, so I made up some rounds with the same weight of IMR-4227 and a remington 240 SJHP bullet. It worked really good, in fact just about any 240 grain bullet I've tried with that powder, charge weight, rem brass and large pistol primer has done fine.

I did the same thing with some 218 BEE ammo I found at a gun show-- the Winchester stuff shot terrible but I had half a box of Rem ammo that shot real good, by this point in my loading career I had acquired a shooting chrony chronograph, so I duplicated the fps of the good-shooting ammo using the same weight bullet (45gn) and a charge of powder to duplicate the speed of the factory Rem. ammo--it just happened to be IMR-4227 powder again.

So, my advice is to pull a bullet from a round and try to duplicate the WW white box ammo, if it shoots good in your rifle.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2006, 03:43:57 PM »

Here's bad news on the IMR4227.......Hodgdon is doing away with it and IMR4198 and renaming H4198 as IMR4198 and H4227 as IMR4227, both powders marked "made in Australia". So the 2 original IMR powders will cease to exist. The powder that Hodgdon has been selling as H4198 is ADI's AR2207 and H4227 is ADI's AR2205, have been all along, apparently. This change was confirmed by Jackfish at MO by phone yesterday with Hodgdon. The details of how they deal with IMR4198 and IMR4227 load data has to be worked out yet.

Tim

buffermop · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2006, 06:45:07 PM »

try reloadernest.com

tstevens41 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:10:46 AM »

Which means we will all have to go and and by new reloading manuals as soon as they get that mess straightened out. The six manuals that i have right now will make good door stops.

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:25:16 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo

Here's bad news on the IMR4227.......Hodgdon is doing away with it and IMR4198 and renaming H4198 as IMR4198 and H4227 as IMR4227, both powders marked "made in Australia". So the 2 original IMR powders will cease to exist. The powder that Hodgdon has been selling as H4198 is ADI's AR2207 and H4227 is ADI's AR2205, have been all along, apparently. This change was confirmed by Jackfish at MO by phone yesterday with Hodgdon. The details of how they deal with IMR4198 and IMR4227 load data has to be worked out yet.

Tim

I guess that would explain why the pound of 4227 I bought at Sportsman's Whse. came in a black plastic bottle with a red top, in stead of a metal can.

crap.

McLernon · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:15:34 PM »

I sure hope they leave IMR4895 alone!!!!!! It is one great powder!!

McLernon

Loki_762 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 24, 2006, 06:02:00 AM »

Okay, if you are looking for a good load, I would recommend a 50 grain V-Max over 26-28 grains of BL-C2. My personal load in my .223, (which is a Savage, not a Handi) is a 50 grain V-Max, over 26.8 grains of BL-C2, and CCI Benchrest primers. This is what kind of 3 shot groups I get, consistently:

Hope this helps!
Loki

Norseman112 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 24, 2006, 07:02:38 AM »

Welcome to GBO tstevens41

Come back often and vist.
I to like to reload and I did find a good one using IMR-4198. They just had to screw that up for me. Well guess I will be buying alot of 4198 then if there is any left. If not I will be trying other powders, bullet combo ect. Win white box ammo works good in my rifle, but I do like to reload and I get a little bit tighter groups with my reloads. Loki_762, thanks for the info I will give that one a try to.

John

tstevens41 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:56:52 PM »

Thanks Loki I will also be loading that one up so I can try it. It seems like we find something that we like and the powder is not made any more or we can't find the bullets, or something else like that. Will all the IMR powders be going by the wayside? Will the Winchester powders be next? Maybe it is gun controll in reverse, keep the guns, we will just get rid of all the bullets and powder.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2006, 05:07:53 AM »

Confusion on the 4227! Just got the latest issue of Handloader, on page 26, VanDenburg compares the two 4227 powders. In his closing statement he says:

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All that said, with the recent purchase of the IMR Powder Company by the Hodgdon Powder Company came the realization that IMR-4227 out sells H-4227 by a very wide margin. Consequently I've been informed that sometime in 2006, as supplies run out, there will be no more H-4227. IMR-4227 will continue on serving handloaders as it has since 1935. Supplies of both will no doubt be on dealer shelves for some time to come, but be forewarned.

Mac called Hodgdon yesterday and got a totally different story, I'll let him put that to print.

Tim

tstevens41 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2006, 06:28:45 AM »

So what you are saying is, that if we have a favorite IMR powder, then we better go buy all we can find before it is all gone? Has anyone heard what they are leaving alone? I like 3031, is it about to go away?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2006, 06:52:06 AM »

I started a new thread cuz I couldn't remember which topic this applied to, but here's Hodgdon's reply on the subject...

Tim

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Neither H 4198 or IMR 4198 is going to be discontinued. Both will continue to be manufactured where they currently are being made. H 4198 will continue to be Extreme.

The product name H 4227 has been discontinued. Future lots of IMR 4227 will be manufactured in Australia by ADI. While the color of the future lots will be the same as current lots of IMR 4227 future lots of IMR 4227 will be Extreme.

Dave Campbell
Customer Satisfaction
Hodgdon Powder Company/ IMR Powder Company

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 27, 2006, 06:57:30 AM »

Something about this is confusing me.

It doesn't really matter who makes it, there are specifications for the burning rates of propellant powders that must be adhered to no matter who actually manufactures it.

This is where some of the "surplus" powders come from, they are batches that were supposed to be, say, 2230, but do not fall within the acceptable tolerances for that powder, so that particular batch cannot be released for retail sale. The outfit that made it then has an option to sell it as "surplus" (I call it "mistake") powder. Generally this type of powder is offered with load guidelines for a few cartridges, and is sold at a substantial discount.

So, if Hodgdon (or anyone else) markets a propellant powder as, for example, IMR-4227, then it should be identical in burning rate, weight-for-volume, and granule size.

Right?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 27, 2006, 07:59:46 AM »

I just got another email from Dave Campbell at Hodgdon....

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Tim,

After getting a couple more E-mails like yours I went and double checked my facts.

What I wrote you about H 4227 and IMR 4227 is correct. Also, H 4198 will continue in it's current form in the Hodgdon line as far as I can determine.

However, in the next year or so ADI will begin manufacture of IMR 4198.

I hope this clears things up.

Dave Campbell
Customer Satisfaction
Hodgdon Powder Company/ IMR Powder Company