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Offline victorcharlie

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« on: March 18, 2006, 04:12:12 AM »
I thought this article was interesting.

US spends its way to 28 Eiffel towers: made out of pure gold
From Tim Reid in Washington
IF YOU are worried about how much you owe on your credit cards, this might put things in perspective: America’s national debt limit was increased yesterday to $9 trillion. That’s $9,000,000,000,000 — enough to buy Buckingham Palace 9,000 times.

The increase, passed by Congress, allows the Government to borrow another $781 billion (£447 billion), increasing the national debt limit — the maximum America can borrow — from $8 trillion and $184 billion to $8 trillion and $961 billion.

If the debt ceiling, which is set by Congress, had not been raised by March 24, the Administration would not have been able to borrow more money and the US would have begun to default on its domestic and foreign obligations, an untenable consequence.

The vote to increase the debt limit, requested by the White House, is the fourth since Mr Bush took office. In 2001 the national debt was $5.7 trillion. Today it has ballooned to $8.2 trillion, figures rarely talked about in Washington.

The national debt is the total amount owed by the Government. It is not to be confused with the federal budget deficit, which is the yearly amount by which spending exceeds revenue. When budget deficits are big, the national debt inevitably increases.

When Mr Bush took office he inherited a $236 billion budget surplus. Bill Clinton, his predecessor, had used budget surpluses to pay down some of the national debt in his last two years in office. Mr Bush also inherited some extraordinarily overoptimistic projections. Experts pronounced that budget surpluses would increase to $5.6 trillion over ten years, and there was even heady talk of paying off the entire national debt with the proceeds.

Since then a combination of factors — the September 11, 2001, attacks, unexpectedly low tax revenues, Mr Bush’s tax cuts and runaway government spending — have plunged the yearly budget back into deficit. This year it will reach nearly $400 billion.

What worries many analysts is the amount of US debt financed by foreign governments and banks, particularly in Asia. The national debt is split between publicly held debt — money owed to US and foreign investors — and money owed to branches of the Government. Nearly half the publicly owed debt is held by foreigners. Japan is the biggest creditor, at $668 billion. China, the second-biggest, recently increased its stake by $40 billion to $263 billion.

“We used to have much less held by foreigners,” Alice Rivlin, a former budget director for Mr Clinton, said. “It makes you much more vulnerable to people’s agendas.”

Historically, today’s national debt is the highest in dollar terms, but not as a percentage of GDP. In 1946 it was $270 billion — 122 per cent of GDP.

Today it is 65 per cent of GDP, very close to the postwar high of 67 per cent in 1996.

America has had a national debt since 1791, when it was $75 million. Today it rises by that amount every hour.

$9 TRILLION

# Is roughly four times Britain’s GDP

# Equates to $1,500 for every man, woman and child in the world

# Would buy all the tea in China. In fact it would buy all the tea in the world for the next 2,000 years.

# Is enough to solve the Palestinian crisis by rehousing every Israeli and Palestinian family in a £1.5m detached house in Henley-on-Thames

# Would build 28 Eiffel Towers — constructed out of gold.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2006, 05:30:14 AM »
Hmm, that ain't bad, I think I owe nearly that much.  :eek:  :-D


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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2006, 07:07:11 AM »
My wife went shopping the other day and had the checkbook and plastic, the govt. dosent know what being in debt is.  :shock:

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2006, 03:06:18 PM »
The borrower is always slave to the lender.   Credit is a huge trap just waiting to be sprung, but on occasion, the mouse gets the cheese.  Most of the time it's the other way around.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 12:03:01 AM »
Just a note on the statistics:

Clinton had one quarter of one year that ran a genuine surplus. The government accounting rules allow the government to count the Social Security Surplus, which is to be used to pay future benefits, in with yearly revenues, which overstates the revenues tremendously.

When this surplus is taken out, Clinton ran one quarter of one year at a surplus. It is a lot different than saying Bush inherited a 236 billion dollar budget surplus. Almost all of that "surplus" was Social Security surplus, not budget  surplus.

I didn't vote for Bush either time, for the record. I just don't like to see numbers thrown around so casually. We've run up the red ink for certain under Bush.

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2006, 03:37:49 AM »
Well, I did vote for Bush, and never thought I'd see the day I'd be happy to see Bill Clinton Back.  

George Bush ran on a less government platform and has increased the size of government by near 20%.

I've always voted Republican except when the Little General Ross Peroit ran.  I said that I'd never vote third party again.  I've re-thinked that position and don't see how I could vote for either party.

The "issues" like gun control, abortion etc are, while near and dear to each of us, are smoke screen issues.  It's like a football play where the quarterback fakes the hand off up the middle to confuse the defence and then hands the ball to a different back to run around the end.  If the democrats have the ball they run around the left end.....If the republicians have the ball they run around the right end.  

George Bush and his Republicans as well as Howard Dean and his Democrats are really wanting to achieve the same goal and are so alike it really wouldn't matter much which fox got elected to guard the hen house.

There has to be a shake up.  Lets get rid of all of those special interest big money politicians that both parties embrace and get a government in place that will follow the constitution as it was origianally intended and explained by Madison.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2006, 03:42:50 AM »
Yep, that's why I vote Libertarian. I don't agree with all of what they say, but smaller government sounds pretty good to me.