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« on: March 08, 2006, 04:43:48 PM »
First of all let me say I am pro law enforcement I have respect for the law and have more than a few retired cops and game wardens wardens who are friends and a relative who is retired LE. I should say I respect good cops. That said I have been disturbed for a while seeing a certain type of cop these days on a lot of police forces and sheriffs depts. It is almost like they came out of a mould. " Short buzz cut or shaved heads with the wrap around sun glasses ect and a attitude that just shouts look at me I am a cop and I can kick your ass" Of course shows like Cops ect that show these clowns does not help any as young recruits figure I think they have to follow this pattern. Back when I was a kid Cops were respected and while every group maybe had a hot dog in the group most cops were a good group of guys who joined to help folks and the term Serve and Protect meant something. After seeing some of the corruption that is prevlent these days and incidents like the New Orleans Police force it has to make a guy wonder . I know that police work is a sometimes nasty and dangerous job. I also know that other times it can be rewarding. For all the good cops out there I say thank you for a job well done. For the other cops that are crooked and hotdogs I hope you do not last long on the job. Ok I saw enough to see the shots fired. They ought to hang that cop!  



CHINO, Calif. - A videotape released Tuesday shows a sheriff's deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force policeman who recently returned from Iraq as he appeared to obey an order to get up off the ground.

KTLA-TV broadcast a 40-second clip it said came from a Chino resident who videotaped Sunday night's shooting, which followed a 100 mph car chase.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was listed in good condition at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. He was shot three times in the chest, ribs and leg, his father-in-law, Ernesto Paz, told KTLA-TV.

Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that crashed into a wall following the brief chase, authorities said.

The dark, grainy videotape shows Carrion lying on the ground next to the car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion supports himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer's flashlight.

Carrion is heard telling the officer he is unarmed and is in the military.

At one point, a voice is heard saying several times: "Get up."

Carrion says: "I'm gonna get up." As he rose, at least four shots were fired and Carrion collapsed.

Investigators from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department took the original tape, refusing to release it to the public or describe what it shows.

The deputy, whose name was not released, was placed on paid administrative leave, a routine procedure in officer-involved shootings.

Sheriff Gary Penrod said he could not comment until the investigation is completed.

Carrion was not charged with a crime, although the incident remained under investigation, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

The driver of the Corvette, identified by authorities as Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, was arrested for investigation of felony evading.

Carrion and Escobedo had left a party at the home of Carrion's parents to drive to a store, said the airman's wife, Mariela.

Carrion was scheduled to report on Wednesday to his unit, the 2nd Security Forces Squadron, at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La.

An Air Force spokesman, Lt. Frank Hartnett, said Carrion was a security officer at the base. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

Chino is about 40 miles east of Los Angeles.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 06:21:03 PM »
Cop Faces Charges In Iraq Vet Shooting

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif., March 7, 2006
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Image from video shows Elio Carrion apparently being shot by police officer in Chino, Calif. (CBS)


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"I just want that man to be placed in jail, I want justice! And I'm not giving up."

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Mariela Carrion
 
 
(CBS/AP) A sheriff's deputy who was videotaped shooting an unarmed Iraq War veteran after a car chase will be charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter, authorities said Tuesday.

The decision to charge Deputy Ivory J. Webb, 45, was announced by San Bernardino County District Attorney Michael A. Ramos.

Sheriff Gary Penrod said Webb will remain on paid administrative leave during the investigation into the shooting of Air Force Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21.

"I respect the decision of the district attorney's office," Penrod said.

It is the first time the county's prosecutors have filed charges against a lawman for an on-duty shooting.

Webb's arraignment was set for Wednesday. If convicted, he could face up to 18½ years in prison.

The charge includes the special allegations of infliction of great bodily injury and use of a firearm, Ramos said at a news conference. In California, such enhancements can result in extra prison time.

Carrion, an Air Force security officer just back from Iraq, was a passenger in a Corvette that police chased at high speed on the night of Jan. 29 until the Corvette crashed into a wall in Chino, about 45 miles east of Los Angeles.

A grainy videotape shot by a bystander showed Carrion on the ground next to the car with Webb standing and pointing at gun at him.

A voice appears to order Carrion to rise, but when the airman appears to begin complying, the deputy shoots him three times. Carrion was shot in the chest, shoulder and thigh and was hospitalized for several days.

Authorities found no weapons on Carrion or the driver, Luis Escobedo.

Prosecutors announced they were charging Escobedo with a felony of attempting to evade a peace officer while driving recklessly and misdemeanor driving under the influence. He was expected to surrender Wednesday. The maximum penalty if convicted would be 3½ years in prison.

The FBI is investigating possible civil rights violations. The sheriff's department conducted its own probe and gave the results to the district attorney's office.

At the time, the sheriff said the videotape "arouses a lot of suspicion," but he pointed out that it is fuzzy and contains gaps.

"In any type of investigation, it is the responsibility of the Sheriff's Department to put together all the facts," Penrod said Tuesday. "The district attorney's role is to take those facts and determine whether there is sufficient evidence to issue a criminal complaint. Obviously that was their choice in this investigation."

Ramos assigned two top attorneys to review the shooting and requested an FBI enhancement of the videotape.

Last month, Carrion's wife insisted he did nothing wrong and demanded that the police officer be arrested.

"I can't sleep at night no more … knowing that we could have lost him. There's just no words for it," Mariela Carrion told CBS News correspondent Sandra Hughes.

She's still a teenager and has been married to Elio for two years.

Mariela finds it hard to understand why her husband, who survived six months as a senior airman in Iraq, was shot three times on the streets of Chino.

"I went to the crime scene, and I saw the car and I saw his clothes there. And at that point, I just felt, 'Oh, my god. What happened?"

If a passerby hadn't happened to take the video, asserts Mariela, "They would have let my husband bleed to death, and they would have switched that whole story around.

"I just want that man to be placed in jail," she insists. "I want justice. And I'm not giving up."
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 06:50:19 PM »
I saw that on TV a week or so ago. I can feel for cops they have a tough job, but that was down right poor judgement and uncalled for. Tough job or not you are still accountable for your actions, and there was no excuse for that.

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2006, 08:49:45 PM »
My wife is hopping mad about this.  She is a retired AF Paralegal.  She saw the video and really got hot.  I have to say I'm upset also, the cop was out of line, needs to be hung for what he did.  I'm also retired AF.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2006, 12:43:02 PM »
I read an interesting book that discussed this phenomenon at length, Blink by Malcolm Gladwell. He calls it "temporary autism," given that autistic folk have difficulty in reading non-verbal language.

He notes that an unusual number of compliant folk get shot at the end of high speed chases. What happens is that the excitement of the chase puts the police officers into "reaction mode." When the suspect is finally cornered, the officer approaches much too close to the suspect. Not necessarily touching, but so close that an attack could reach the officer in a fraction of a second. When the suspect makes actually makes a compliant move, the officer's "reaction mode" interprets this as hostile, and he reflexively fires before he can get hurt.

If he were further away, his brain's normal ability to to tell itself, "that guy is complying with my order," would have time to over-ride the "temporary autism," and he'd hold his fire.

I haven't seen the video, but I would bet that the officer is very, very close to the airman.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2006, 12:53:05 AM »
It is a dangerous job and one that requires absolute perfection.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2006, 01:23:28 AM »
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It is a dangerous job and one that requires absolute perfection.
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A perfect level of performance in an imperfect world composed of less than perfect people is kind of difficult to achieve.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2006, 03:31:00 AM »
The officer was still running on adrenaline as a result of the chase.

Resulted in poor judgement and sarcastic taunting of the young man.

As a result of the taunts the young man responded and the officer gunned him down for doing exactly what he was told to do.

Nothing is crystal clear except that a young man was shot without justifiable cause.

IMO the officer should be removed from duty and charged with official oppression and attempted murder.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2006, 07:17:31 PM »
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A perfect level of performance in an imperfect world composed of less than perfect people is kind of difficult to achieve.


I'll bet if you were going into surgery you expect perfect performance.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2006, 02:36:00 AM »
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A perfect level of performance in an imperfect world composed of less than perfect people is kind of difficult to achieve.


I'll bet if you were going into surgery you expect perfect performance.


The Good Lord is perfect, not man. I put my faith in Him regardless of the circumstances I'm confronted with in this transitory world of imperfection.

I've been operated on several times in my life. Each time I went under the knife, I understood the risks. And I never once entertained the illusion that my surgeon was a perfect being capable of perfect performance.

BTW, I'm certainly not trying to justify the questionable behavior of this particular cop. I'm stipulating that just because someone is issued a badge, for example, that doesn't elevate them to a status of perfection.  
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2006, 04:50:39 AM »
Well there is a point here, I agree.
Greysky has a good point, though the thought I was impressing was in a case such as this, the officer is demanded to be absolutely correct in all his actions. In that same thought, so are we, the general ccw holder, and perhaps the requirments and the terms may even be a little more harsh for not being so exact.
The context of the shooting are a little perplexing, for me. I would have need to be more harsh in judgement if all the facts point to a gross over reaction, maybe too the point of almost being purposeful, if I were sitting on a jury.
I would also agree that this thin blue line is often used to screen those unstable or outright abusers of authority from public procecution.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2006, 08:07:06 AM »
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the officer is demanded to be absolutely correct in all his actions. In that same thought, so are we, the general ccw holder, and perhaps the requirments and the terms may even be a little more harsh for not being so exact.


That is exactly it!! If anyone of us who doesnt wear a badge did the exact same thing we would be hung out to dry. But when a cop does it there are a ton of excuses. He's under stress, it's a tough job, sometimes these things happen, ect ect. It would be the reason that people shouldnt have CCW. Only cops should be able to do that, because they are trained.  I can see the National News now. I agree that NO ONE is perfect. But cops should at least be held to the same standard that I would be if I pulled the trigger. Because you can bet that there would be no excuse for any of us.