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Offline Diamond Paul

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« on: February 26, 2006, 08:28:17 AM »
Hi, I am new to this; actually, just interested in getting started.  I just purchased an Anschutz 1710D heavy barrel, which won't make hunter class.  Can anyone offer an opinion on the CZ silhouette model?  I considered the Anschutz 1712 w/ synthetic stock, and could probably swing the $ (maybe), but wondered if I could have any chance with the less-expensive rifle.  This would leave me more $ for scope (B&L 4200 6-24).  All help is appreciated.  Also, can anyone give me a simple list of the accessories I would need to shoot competitively?  Thanks, Paul.   :(  :(
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 01:31:54 AM »
Paul I've have bought more than one of the CZs and they all shot very good right out of the box.   And with just a little tinkering  ( smoothing out the trigger) they shoot really well.  They are plenty good enough for learning the game.  Some day you might want to up grade to something different,  but you will have to pay a lot more money and you might not be able to improve the accuracy over the CZ.  High $ rifles are nice,  but how much is one willing to pay for a group sice 1/4 smaller?  That is the choice one has to make.    And yes there are other things to consider but the CZ will get you shooting.   Don
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 04:25:17 AM »
You'll need this trigger kit. .http://cz452.com/
It's pretty easy to install and the pull weight and creep can go about as low as you want.
I've ordered a few things from him and he has a great reputation.  His website has pretty clear instructions.

Mine shoots about a half inch at 50 yards from sandbags.  For the money it seems like a decent rifle.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2006, 08:28:09 AM »
I'm sure you'll get references to using the 452 Varmint instead of the Silhouette, so let's go ahead and get the differences in the models of 452 out of the way here. The CZ 452 models are one of the most often seen rifles used by mid-range shooters in smallbore silhouette. There isn't a 452 model that's really well suited to silhouette shooting, though. The Silhouette and Style (just the Silhouette with nickel-plated action/barrel) have a stock that's fairly well designed for offhand shooting, but they are very light, which isn't great for slowing down the wiggle and getting on target long enough to get the trigger to break. The Varmint model has a heavier barrel and overall heavier gun weight that helps slow down the wiggle, but the stock is designed to be shot off rests so the wide foreend and sloping pistol grip doesn't work as well for offhand shooting. The American is the only 452 model in 22lr that has two action screws, which is better for overall accuracy and is the way an accurate bolt gun should be designed, but it doesn't have the heavier barrel of the Varmint that helps slow the wiggles or the offhand stock of the Silhouette/Style, so it's really the last choice when it comes to a gun purchased specifically for silhouette shooting. If CZ would make a model of the 452 with the Slhouette stock design with two-action screws like the American and the heavy barrel of the Varmint, they'd pretty much take over the low and mid-range smallbore silhouette market. Until they do that, though, you have to choose which feature you want most and buy the model that has it.

As for making the CZ 452 better, there are lots of things that can help. The CZ 452's biggest problem is its trigger design, and since the trigger is one of the most important aspects of a silhouette rifle, that should be taken care of first. The first modification that will be recommended, and the one you can skip if you are accustomed to higher-end rifles like Anschutz, is the kit of springs and spacers from Eric Brooks. It does help the CZ's trigger a lot and will make the CZ much better for casual shooting, but it's not nearly enough to make it a competitive silhouette gun. Go ahead and step up to the Automated Solutions adjustable sear. If there is only one think you do for a CZ, that should be it. It will take the decent trigger of the CZ and make it into a good trigger. It will be $60 or so well spent. Getting rid of overtravel in the CZ's trigger is a lot trickier, though, and not really something that needs to be covered here. After you get the trigger fixed, you can do all the usual accurizing tricks like bedding the action, floating the barrel, etc. You can make most any CZ 452 shoot groups of half an inch or a bit better at 50yds. Getting much better than that on a consistent basis can take a lot of work, though.

I've been shooting my CZ 452 Varmint for both hunter and standard class in silhouette for quite a while now. The trigger kit from Eric Brooks helped some, and the adjustable sear helped a lot more. I have one of the Silhouette stocks on the way to me now and I'm going to open the barrel channel up to fit the heavier barrel so that I can have the best points of the Varmint and the Silhouette. Even with doing that and countless hours of accurizing work, the gun really won't be anywhere in the league of an Anschutz 1712 or similar high-end guns. I wish it weren't true, but it most definitely is. I'm just trying to make my little CZ be a little better while I save up for an Anschutz 1712 or build up a custom hunter gun myself.

Honestly, my advice to you is to forget the CZ and go ahead and get the Anschutz 1712. If that would make money tight, it would be better to sell the Anschutz 1710 and get a good gun and good scope for hunter class and just use it for standard class, too.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 04:13:58 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2006, 07:36:16 AM »
For what it's worth-

I have owned the following:  541-THB, CZ452 American, Kengs 522, Anschutz 54.18, Anschutz 1712, Rem 40x.  They all shot very, very well with the exception of the 541.  It would consistently shoot the first shot 2" high, then the next 4 dead on in one hole!   I got  so frustrated with it, that I traded it off.   Beware of rifles without lugs or 2 action screws!!!  

The 452 was a wonderful rifle, and I should never have sold it.  It loved Fed 900 and would print .75" groups at 100 meters.  I have tried to buy it back, but no luck.  It was nice to look at, and handled well.  It was very well made.  The trigger must be tended to, but it can be made to feel good.    

I shot my best scores with the 522 (30).  I had two of these, sold them both, and then bought one back.   They are ugly as sin, but fit well, and shoot well.  The trigger is very easy to work on, but rather soft.   I paid $175 for it brand new!!!!!!!!  I never shot a better score with rifles that cost $1000 or more!!!!  The local gunshop here sold 40 of 'em, after I made them aware, and could have sold more.  Too bad they are no longer available.  Most shooters would be very happy with it, and afford to play this game- which is what stops a lot of guys.        

The 54.18 was superb, but I could never get it to fit me.  I sold it.  

The 40x is for sale, and I will regret selling it I'm sure.  Of all the guns mentioned this is my favorite.  But, I am going to settle on shooting the 1712 in both classes.   I find it hard to go from a 2 lb. trigger to a 6 oz. trigger.  One gun, one ammo, etc. seems much simpler to me.  And the 1712 is a tack driver- with just about any ammo.  The older I get, the simpler I want things.      


I haven't been visiting this site lately, but have read some interesting, albeit puzzling, posts today.   Paul- can you shoot a 452 varmint in hunter class?    And, another post showed a customized 40x with a #5 barrel that he said he used in hunter class.   A #5 barrel by most standards would be a heavy barrel.  Apparently the Lilja is not.  

Bottom line-  Silhouette is a shooter's game.  Any decent gun will work.  My post should be proof of that.  Maybe I should try a 9422!!!!!!

 :-)   Blamethewind

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2006, 04:51:19 PM »
Hunter rules have changed.
Any bbl that has a 'hunting style taper' -- whatever that is -- and is no more than 26" is OK as long as the rifle makes weight. The proscription against 'heavy' or 'varmint' bbls is gone. Bull bbls are not allowed. (If anyone has a rule-book definition for a 'bull' bbl, I'd like to see it and the specific rule that it's posted in...)
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 05:02:10 AM »
Quote from: blamethewind
For what it's worth-


I haven't been visiting this site lately, but have read some interesting, albeit puzzling, posts today.   Paul- can you shoot a 452 varmint in hunter class?    And, another post showed a customized 40x with a #5 barrel that he said he used in hunter class.   A #5 barrel by most standards would be a heavy barrel.  Apparently the Lilja is not.  

 :-)   Blamethewind


From the current rule book dated March, 2005 (Page 7)

3. Rifles, Equipment and ammo

3.1.1 HP Hunting Rifle...

(e) Barrel" A hunting style contoured barrel
that tapers from the chamber to muzzle. Bull barrels are not permitted. A factory Tuner that does not act as a muzzle break or comp is permitted. Max barrel length is 26 inches, including tuner.

3.2.1 Smallbore Hunting Silhouette Rifle - Identical to the description of the High Power hunting silhouette rifle except that (a) rifle may be a single loading, (b) the weight may not exceed 8 1/2 pounds....


Hopefully this will covers everone's questions... The rules do not just say a "hunting style taper", they say "A hunting style contoured barrel that tapers from the chamber to the muzzle".

As far as "Bull" goes, I'm with big Earn on this one, I can't find the def in the rull book anywhere. If anyone shows up to a match with a barrel that tapers from chamber to muzzle, I would assume it not a "bull" barrel and therefore allowed by the rules.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2006, 05:04:39 AM »
Thanks for the info.  I ordered a new rulebook today.   It would seem that Hunter class has become a custom gun game also.   That is good for the guy with lots of bucks and desire to build, but it also makes a lot guys stay away from the sport because they feel they can't compete unless they shell out lots of money.  I really don't buy this, but it is a reality.  I don't see the need to build a Hunter class .22 because there are so many good guns available now, but "whatever floats your boat" is the name of the game.   Someday some smart guy will invent a form of competition that any shmuck can get into.  (Would that be trap shooting?)  

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2006, 08:04:09 AM »
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Thanks for the info.  I ordered a new rulebook today.   It would seem that Hunter class has become a custom gun game also.   That is good for the guy with lots of bucks and desire to build, but it also makes a lot guys stay away from the sport because they feel they can't compete unless they shell out lots of money.  I really don't buy this, but it is a reality.  I don't see the need to build a Hunter class .22 because there are so many good guns available now, but "whatever floats your boat" is the name of the game.   Someday some smart guy will invent a form of competition that any shmuck can get into.  (Would that be trap shooting?)  

Blamethewind


I have found from my limited experience that the one whining about legal equipment are the ones that have tried the sport and found their skills wanting... They typically quit and rather than admitting they suck and can't deal with the personal struggle that it might take to get to a certain level, they pick at something ( in this case equipment of more experienced shooters) and "blame" that for their lack of participation, these people were not long for the sport anyway... I know this for a fact, have been on both sides of the coin. I started this game in 1999. First year I did not put a score higher than 7 in my book. Embarasing to say the least BUT I stuck with it and have made equipment changes along the way as I felt my level of intrest changed. I went from a 452, to a 1712(Put a 30 in my book with this rifle last year), to a custom 54.18 action rifle(along with a slew of standard class rifles..LOL). One thing I never did was blame loosing or shooting inferior scores on the equipment of the winners, that seems to be the MO of some of the whinners these days. To that end I would simply suggest to spend more time behind the trigger, learn the game, and strive to improve your scores. That is what I have been doing for a number of years and I seem to be making progress...

We saw this same thing happen when the Anschutz 1712 hit the market, all of a suden they were the defacto standard and the guys not willing to shell out $1,400 for one found a different way to cope. Others choose to try one out VS their old Rem, Sako, CZ, etc. and see if they felt it was worth it.

I don't mean to rant and I'm not pointing my finger at you, but with things being said like "getting by the match director", "chasing equipment", "custom gun game", "this or that not "looking" like a hunter barrel", etc. I just wanted to respond.

Thanks for hearing my rant,

Chicken

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2006, 02:47:01 PM »
I am a freaking newbie to this, but I've got to tell you, I agree with Chicken, and I'll tell you why.  I used to be a national level compound bow shooter; averaged 57x's indoors and shot a 546 outdoors the first time I tried it.  If anyone here shoots bows, these scores will mean something.  If not, suffice to say there are less than 1% of the archers out there who can shoot those scores.  When I would go to 3-D tournaments with my long stabilizer, movable scoped sight, $200 Carter releases (1-2oz. trigger mechanical string releases), and $200 a dozen target arrows, everyone shooting lesser equipment would give me the evil eye and grumble about how anyone could hit 12 rings if they shot what I had.  I would routinely beat these guys by 100 or more points if I had an average day.  The equipment didn't hold itself still, judge yardage to the targets, visualize an aiming point on the 3-D animal that corresponding to the 12 ring location, or execute a technically perfect shot.  I would have beat their brains out with a hunting bow and a one-pin, non-moveable sight.  They would mis-judge yardage, pull up and punch the trigger on their releases, have spastic rigors from target panic that looked like epileptic fits, but it must have been the equipment that made me better.  I ain't buying it!  Here's the real truth: these people would have NEVER DARED TO BUY EQUIPMENT COMPARABLE TO MINE, BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BLAME THEIR STINKING SHOOTING ON THEMSELVES!!!!  If Troy Lawton showed up with a Ruger 10-22 out of the box and gave you his rifle, do you really believe that you would beat him?  Good equipment simply allows you to reach your potential, whether that's 6 or 60 hits.  It relieves you of having an excuse, so you can concentrate on the things that matter: shot execution, aiming, trigger control.  Like D. Tubb says in his book, "Learn it the hard way, or better yet, don't learn it the hard way: get all the equipment you need, and buy the very best you can afford."  Amen to that. :wink:
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2006, 05:47:17 PM »
I am often amazed with how emails are interpreted in ways not intended.  I honestly didn't think I was whining about anything and I've never blamed anyone or anything but the wind for my posted scores.   I was simply stating what I believe to be a reality of the sport.  Chicken you are right about guys not willing to do what it takes to get better, and find excuses.  Mankind is plagued with underachievers. Several years ago, a guy with a big reputation for shooting deer came to a  shoot, put 5 shots into the ground, and we've never seen him again.  He is a great guy, but had is ego deflated big time.  He could easily become a good shooter,  but never  will.  The very first time  I shot highpower  silhouette  I hit my first chicken, and missed  the next 39 shots!   Granted I was using my deer rifle and I had never tried anything like that before.   But, it got me hooked and I kept at it, got better, got proper equipment, and you know the story.  I  shoot because I like the challenge and seeing improvement, and I stink it up on occasion.  Anyone who says that play their A game everytime  out is liar.  I also play piano and harmonica for the same reason.  I'll never get rich or famous doing either, but I have fun making music with others.                

My story on equipment is nearly identical to Chicken's.  In an earlier post I mentioned that I shot my best score (30)  with a Kengs 522- a Chinese rifle that sold new for $175.  I never shot that well with my 54.18.    



Rant all you want-  it is interesting  to hear others' opinions and stories.  

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2006, 07:34:20 PM »
Hey, I didn't direct any of my last post at you or anyone directly, and I really don't think Chicken meant it that way, either.  I think he was just stating a fact of life about any competitive endeavor.  Some people will always justify their failures by pointing out reasons outside themselves for failure.  Personally, I think a person wins anytime he/she chooses to challenge him or herself through competition.  Everyone can't be the best, and the best are always bested, so the challenge lies within one's own mind: how can I achieve my best?  Humans have an unfortunate habit of rationalizing failures by belittling the successes of others; that's all I was trying to say.  I know I won't win this weekend, but, nevertheless, I will win just by trying, without excuses.  Great equipment really only matters to great shooters, but by buying the best I can find now, I close that avenue of rationalization off from the start.  Best of luck to everyone, whatever you choose to compete with.  Paul. :-)
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2006, 02:42:57 AM »
Paul-
    Very well said.  The ability to communicate precisely with the pen is an elusive ability prone to mishap.  Errors often occur because of failure to read and understand carefully what prompted one's response.  I am guilty.


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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2006, 03:14:47 AM »
I haven't seen anything that seemed critical of another poster.
All the equipment issues are inevitable in any sport requiring equipment. Seeking the best rifle the rules and your budget will allow is just good sense. The new guy sees expensive, custom equipment and feels at least a little intimidated. That's just the way it is.
People who enjoy competition for its own sake and who like the sport stay with it and improve. Those who can't stand starting at the bottom, quit. None of the rifle marksmanship sports will ever have broad appeal because the skills are acquired, not "discovered," and acquiring them takes time and work. The average plinker isn't really interested in doing what it takes and no equipment rule is going to change that.

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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2006, 03:26:42 AM »
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I am often amazed with how emails are interpreted in ways not intended.  I honestly didn't think I was whining about anything and I've never blamed anyone or anything but the wind for my posted scores.   I was simply stating what I believe to be a reality of the sport.  Chicken you are right about guys not willing to do what it takes to get better, and find excuses.  Mankind is plagued with underachievers. Several years ago, a guy with a big reputation for shooting deer came to a  shoot, put 5 shots into the ground, and we've never seen him again.  He is a great guy, but had is ego deflated big time.  He could easily become a good shooter,  but never  will.  The very first time  I shot highpower  silhouette  I hit my first chicken, and missed  the next 39 shots!   Granted I was using my deer rifle and I had never tried anything like that before.   But, it got me hooked and I kept at it, got better, got proper equipment, and you know the story.  I  shoot because I like the challenge and seeing improvement, and I stink it up on occasion.  Anyone who says that play their A game everytime  out is liar.  I also play piano and harmonica for the same reason.  I'll never get rich or famous doing either, but I have fun making music with others.                

My story on equipment is nearly identical to Chicken's.  In an earlier post I mentioned that I shot my best score (30)  with a Kengs 522- a Chinese rifle that sold new for $175.  I never shot that well with my 54.18.    



Rant all you want-  it is interesting  to hear others' opinions and stories.  

Blamethewind   :grin:


I agree and think we are actually saying the same thing...LOL. I didn't mean to say that you were whining, just some of the things being said were things that I had heard from people whining in the past.

I really though it was funny that you said you never shot that well with a 54.18. I wanted to shoot one so bad I have gone through (3) of them with different stocks and barrels...LOL. Reality was that I could not match my huter scores with it and decided to turn one of them into my current hunter that I shoot both ways. Don't fear though, I still have a 54.18 w/ a walnut 1808 stock and a back up mcmillian 1808 stock becuase I'm too think headed to listen to my own logic! LOL

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2006, 03:49:12 AM »
I just can't resist-

I revisited an earlier post in this thread pertaining to the rule changes- especially that part referencing the use of "barrel tuners."    About 2 years ago I ordered a Hoehn tuner and was really excited about trying it.   This was during a period in which tuners were controversial for silhouette.  I then learned that they were about to be nixed by the rules committee.  I called Greg Connor to discuss this with him.  He confirmed that their demise was certain!   I then canceled the order for the tuner.   Now I see they are legal gear!   Couple that with the barrel changes, and my failure to keep abreast of the changes, one should understand my comments that began this discourse.   Guilty again!   I am going to reconsider a tuner for my 1712- not so much for accuracy, but for a little extra weight at the end.  

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2006, 04:36:00 AM »
I think if you check with Greg again you will find that the tuner is legal for standard but not for hunter unless it is a fatory part. You will find this on high power rifles like Browning BOSS system. If you find out that I am wrong please let us know.

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I just can't resist-

I revisited an earlier post in this thread pertaining to the rule changes- especially that part referencing the use of "barrel tuners."    About 2 years ago I ordered a Hoehn tuner and was really excited about trying it.   This was during a period in which tuners were controversial for silhouette.  I then learned that they were about to be nixed by the rules committee.  I called Greg Connor to discuss this with him.  He confirmed that their demise was certain!   I then canceled the order for the tuner.   Now I see they are legal gear!   Couple that with the barrel changes, and my failure to keep abreast of the changes, one should understand my comments that began this discourse.   Guilty again!   I am going to reconsider a tuner for my 1712- not so much for accuracy, but for a little extra weight at the end.  

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2006, 04:37:58 AM »
so...  i really wish you hadn't put that last line in.  the one about adding a weight on to the end of your barrel for a hunter rifle...  that kinda makes the hair on the back of neck stand.  before i start saying things i will wish i hadn't let me ask for clarity on the barrel tuner rules?  we can just set screw a barrel tuner on to the end of our barrel or thread the muzzle end and screw one on?  what do the rules allow?
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2006, 04:39:21 AM »
Thanks Paul.  apparently we were typing at the same time.  i feel better now.

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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2006, 05:29:03 AM »
Here comes Chicken with his *&%$ rule book again...LOL

Unless he wants to shoot his 1712 in standard????

Current rules, dated March, 2005

Page 9

3.2.1 Smallbore Hunting Silhouette Rifle- ...... (d) barrel tuners or additional weights are not permitted.

pg 7

3.1.1 HP Hunting rifle-...
(e) Barrel....A factory tuner that does not act as a muzzle brake or compensator is permitted. Max barrel length is 26" including tuner. (see rule 3.16.1)

Page 12

3.16.1 Comps and Muzzle brakes- The use of comps, muzzle brakes and barrel porting is prohibited, except in airrifle silhouette competition. (The adjustment holes on the Boss-CR are not considered to be compensators, muzzle brakes, or barrel porting.)

Hope this helps...

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2006, 05:31:33 AM »
Paul-

The way I read it, they have to use the conventional recoil mod on the BOSS system. I have head about use of the standard BOSS in hunter because it's factory, and that is wrong.



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I think if you check with Greg again you will find that the tuner is legal for standard but not for hunter unless it is a fatory part. You will find this on high power rifles like Browning BOSS system. If you find out that I am wrong please let us know.

Thanks,
Paul
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I just can't resist-

I revisited an earlier post in this thread pertaining to the rule changes- especially that part referencing the use of "barrel tuners."    About 2 years ago I ordered a Hoehn tuner and was really excited about trying it.   This was during a period in which tuners were controversial for silhouette.  I then learned that they were about to be nixed by the rules committee.  I called Greg Connor to discuss this with him.  He confirmed that their demise was certain!   I then canceled the order for the tuner.   Now I see they are legal gear!   Couple that with the barrel changes, and my failure to keep abreast of the changes, one should understand my comments that began this discourse.   Guilty again!   I am going to reconsider a tuner for my 1712- not so much for accuracy, but for a little extra weight at the end.  

Blamethewind

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How good is the CZ Silhouette?
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2006, 06:04:54 AM »
I realize this has strayed from the CZ, but I started with a Marlin 2000 with an extra stock cut for silhouette, and shot indoor position with the standard stock. After a few years of competition, I saw a friend get a 64MS with a rail installed - it was sweet. However I managed to convince the wife that 1) I needed better equipment, and 2) getting the best (54-18 w/rail) would eliminate one excuse - cause I couldn't blame the rifle, and 3)I'd never have to buy this type of rifle again. She agreed.

Back on CZ - I bought a 452 Trainer at Gander Mountain for $229 or so last year, solely for CMP Rimfire Sporter.

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How good is the CZ Silhouette?
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2006, 06:41:05 AM »
My bubble has burst again!!!!   Isn't this a great group of knowledgeable guys?   That rule book I ordered can't come soon enough.

Yes, this discussion has surely strayed from the 452.  But, it has been fun, entertaining, and enlightening.    I'll return to ground zero- The CZ452 American I owned was a superb rilfe.  I want it back, but the guy won't sell it me!!!

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2006, 01:42:38 AM »
I have been so very lucky all of my shooting life... I have competed from day one with anschutz rifles... This started about 25 yrs ago.. Needless to say I have added a few more to the cabinet along the way.. until last year.. I decided to try a CZ silhouette and WOW. this little bugger really shoots.. The dumb thing shoots almost as good as both of my 54 MS' shoot... And one ammunition Federal Gold Medal Match it shoots better.. Out of all the rifles I own, using any ammo I choose this little stinker using the Gold out shoots my entire stable.. HONEST.. It was very hard for me to admit this cuz I have been a dedicated Anschutz man sense the beginning of time.. For the money you just cant beat the little wonder..Now for all the sceptics and bad experiences out there SORRY.. But this thing FLATS SHOOTS.
I truely hope that all of you who buy a CZ is as blessed as I was
good luck to all
mbj