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Offline Chiclo

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T/C Big Boar .58 Rifle
« on: March 22, 2006, 06:56:20 PM »
I recently came into a Thompson Center Big Boar rifle in .58 after a very unfair trade at a recent gunshow with a fellow who recieved it in a trade and was not interested in muzzleloading.  Basically, I have $35 in this rifle and it is in pretty good shape; the bore seems clean and there is some surface rust on the exterior of the bore that I am working out.  My expertise is mostly in cartridge arms, though I have some limited experience in muzzleloading.

I have been trying to research this weapon online and there is very little information on it out there.  I am mostly interested in the rate of twist and years of production so I might get a rough idea to its age.  I would appreciate any other bits of trivia about my new toy that would be thrown my way.

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2006, 08:32:48 PM »
welcome, you've found a good site.

 you have very likeley "stumbled" across,, a thompsen center hawkin or renegade style that has an after-market custom barrel. There is no T/C called "Big Boar".
 The T/C Hawkin will have a brass curved butt plate with brass barrels for the ramrod and a patchbox on the off' side of the end stock.(rh/lh).
 The T/C Renegade, will have a flat butt and black rod-barells with no shiney brass stuff.
 You haven't really found a vintage or collector item here,,but your 35$ investment, if in proper working condition (same as all firearms) is worth 200 or better.
 we need more info,,,,,caplock or flint? Left hand or Right? Smooth bore or rifled? Is the Octagon barrel 15/16" across the flats or 1"? Does the serial # have a K.? :D
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2006, 09:02:09 PM »
Well, it is a right-handed and percussion (I am left-handed, which is why I rarely shoot my other muzzle loader, a flintlock).  The slats are a full inch across, and the barrel is rifled with 8 lands and grooves and a much slower twist than is readily evident to the naked eye.  The serial number is in the low 4000 range (forgive my withholding of the full number) and does not contain any letters, just the 4 digits.  It is a Renegade stock with the flat butt and no patchbox.  There are two screws in the tang, and I have accordingly looked into adding a tang sight, most likely a Williams peep to complement the one on my .45/70.

I doubt very highly that the barrel is after market.  There is an entry for this model in my father's copy of the 2000 edition of the Gun Trader's Guide, but it was little more than a cursory description and did not go into details as to the barrel twist and years of manufacture, and he has not located his cashe of older Thompson catalogues, lost to the happy abyss that is his reloading shop.  Thompson does mention the Big Boar on their site, but most often in lists of models that certain accessories will fit and I have not been able to find a description of the retired model on their site.

The right-side barrel markings read:

THOMPSON | CENTER ARMS
ROCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE
.58 CAL. BIG BOAR

I would provide a picture, but I do not have a digital camera at my immediate disposal.  There is a drawing of a hog's head between .58 CAL. and BOG BOAR and the O is octagonal with the inner circle being circular and rifled.

My searching over the internet did produce a picture that someone else took of their Big Boar, and this is clearly the weapon I own:



As I mentioned before, my expertise is in cartridge arms.  I work at a well-known sporting goods store as the local guru of gun trivia and strangely enough, the go-to guy for muzzleloading questions because West Texas is not a part of the country with a separate muzzleloading season or a large number of black powder enthusiasts. Part of my job involves appraising used guns to purchase on behalf of my store.  Sadly, we only buy cartridge arms and I have no resources on hand to determine a rough market value of my new toy, but I knew very well that this rifle was conservatively worth $200.  I was well aware at the time of purchase that I was not purchasing a vintage piece, but was instead holding in my hands something that would be immensely fun to hunt pigs with, providing I could secure a source of ammo, which I have.  I am particularly curious as to the relative age of the piece because I at first estimated its age to be no more than 15 years, but my father had a suspicion that he expressed simply as "early '80s".

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2006, 02:14:29 AM »
Yes, TC made the Big Boar as a .58cal x 1:48" twist in a Renegade stock
"Flintlocks.......The Real Deal"
(Claims that 1:48" twists won't shoot PRBs accurately are old wives tales!!)

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2006, 03:44:32 AM »
A friend of mine bought one brand new in about 1991.  I don't believe T/C made them for very long.  Seems like it was a new model at the time.  Back when T/C put out a beautiful catalog showcasing the muzzleloaders and Contenders.  It was great fun to touch this off with a massive .58 Maxi-ball or Maxi-hunter!  A lot more thump than my .54 Renegade.

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2006, 09:31:48 AM »
I have had two of them, one that I still have and one that I gave to  a nephew.  They shoot very nice with heavy conicals and really pack a punch.  Largest whitetail I ever harvested I took with it.  I shoot 600 gr badger bullets out of mine over 100 grs of Goex FFg.

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Re: nun
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 12:56:45 PM »
Quote from: lostid
welcome, you've found a good site.

 you have very likeley "stumbled" across,, a thompsen center hawkin or renegade style that has an after-market custom barrel. There is no T/C called "Big Boar".  :D


It's in catalog #18 (1991).
I can send a copy of the page to anyone interested.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 02:44:31 PM »
You got a great buy and you can always buy another barrel, and still have a great buy.  I'm pretty sure you could buy a green mountain 1" barrel in .50 caliber (or .54) if you so desire that will fit on your renegade.  If the barrels rusted out you could make a smooth bore out of it and also load birdshot....  I'll give your $35 back for it if it doesn't work out for you!
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Re: T/C Big Boar .58 Rifle
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 03:04:07 PM »
Quote from: Chiclo
I recently came into a Thompson Center Big Boar rifle in .58 after a very unfair trade at a recent gunshow with a fellow who recieved it in a trade and was not interested in muzzleloading.  Basically, I have $35 in this rifle and it is in pretty good shape; the bore seems clean and there is some surface rust on the exterior of the bore that I am working out.  My expertise is mostly in cartridge arms, though I have some limited experience in muzzleloading.

I have been trying to research this weapon online and there is very little information on it out there.  I am mostly interested in the rate of twist and years of production so I might get a rough idea to its age.  I would appreciate any other bits of trivia about my new toy that would be thrown my way.


TC also made a nice "Big Bore" patch to go with it...

"Flintlocks.......The Real Deal"
(Claims that 1:48" twists won't shoot PRBs accurately are old wives tales!!)

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2006, 03:41:21 PM »
Chiclo
If you'd like to loosen some fillings try shooting some of the t/c maxi-balls with 100 grains of powder.  Never been kicked so hard in my life!  I never did get mine to work very well with the conical bullets, but don't let my experience put you off.  Sounds like other folks have had good results.  I eventually got a 58 cal green mountain round ball barrel.  It will cut 2-3" groups at 100yards.  I put one of the t/c peep sights and a firesite on mine.  Now if I could get a deer in front of me!  Have fun with it!  

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2006, 02:01:20 AM »
FWIW, 100grns Goex 2F, a .62cal OxYoke wonderwad, an .018" TC prelubed pillow ticking patch, and a Hornady .570 in that TC .58cal 1:48" will shoot extremely well...if you shuffled the targets together from a 1:70" and the 1:48" with that load above, you'd have to pause and study them to figure out which ones came from which twist they're that close...buddy has the standard 1:48" and I have a GM 1:70 in a Hawken stock...both are extremely accurate.
"Flintlocks.......The Real Deal"
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2006, 05:00:52 PM »
I search all over for one and finally gave up.  Bought a Renegade lower end off ebay for next to nothing.  Pulled the lock and found that it had cracked I guess due to recoil.  Called TC and they said send it in.  I then ordered a GM .58 1 in 70" twist 32" bbl.  Put them together and sent it in.  TC sent it back with a brand new lower end.  Sad part was it was a new style lower end with recoil pad.

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2006, 07:14:22 PM »
Quote from: lostid
welcome, you've found a good site.


see? told ya.   :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2006, 07:25:16 PM »
Quote from: roundball
FWIW, 100grns Goex 2F, a .62cal OxYoke wonderwad, an .018" TC prelubed pillow ticking patch, and a Hornady .570 in that TC .58cal 1:48" will shoot extremely well...if you shuffled the targets together from a 1:70" and the 1:48" with that load above, you'd have to pause and study them to figure out which ones came from which twist they're that close...buddy has the standard 1:48" and I have a GM 1:70 in a Hawken stock...both are extremely accurate.

 what is FWIW? .62,OxYoke,.570?1:70,ticking/wadwonder?/Horandy,1:48??and GM?
 Now I know what a buddy is! :D (that's a friend,,Right?)

what ever it is he says,,i guess ir's sposta be "accurate",,  :eek:
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2006, 05:35:08 AM »
I thought the Big Boar .58 was a New Engander in .58 and just called the Big Boar? I could have thought that is what it was. Jack.