Author Topic: 2890 yd elk kill! (Read 1883 times)

Don Fischer · « **on:** March 31, 2006, 05:30:36 AM »

The long range topic got really absurd when the 50 BMG was mentioned as a deer cartridge? Well I was just reading on a long range site about "longest shot's". This will really make some blood boil!

338-416 Rigby Imp. 67 pound rifle in a bench mounted return to battery rest. 300 gr Sierra match king bullet.

One elk killed at 2100 yds, one shot and a second at 2890 yds, one shot. Two sighters each to check the impact point.

Ranges checked with a Russian military range finder. 2890 yd shot witnessed by 4 members of 1000 yd shooting range.

And there is the problem with excessive range. There's no end. Alway's someone wanting to shoot just a little farther! :cry:

Grumulkin · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:23:10 AM »

I really don't see the problem with it. First of all, apparently both were one shot kills so no animals got away wounded which is more than you can say about some short range shots by some persons.

There would be very few places where such long shots would be avaiable anyway. Not too many will be lugging a 67 lb. rifle into the mountains and if they did, the elk, deer or whatever would generally be much closer than even 1,000 yards.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:06:16 AM »

Here we go again, I am staying out of it this time. :roll: :bird:

NONYA · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:34:32 AM »

Same here is such a lameass endevavor i dont even want to think about it.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2006, 10:27:23 AM »

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The long range topic got really absurd when the 50 BMG was mentioned as a deer cartridge? Well I was just reading on a long range site about "longest shot's". This will really make some blood boil!

Well..2 things Don...Did you post your feelings about it there?

...If it angers you so much..why do you even go to those sites in the first place?

Mac

Don Fischer · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2006, 11:36:41 AM »

I'm not angry. That's on a long range site. I just thought it might be interesting what with the feelings about the 50 BMG and 1760 yd shooting.
If one thing I'm learning it's that either no one cares or are unwilling to say so if they do. Say something and your dead meat. But I do think it's interesting that it's so exceptable to so many. For mr, the guy's that did that could have impressed me more by shooting a 55 gal drum. Waiting now to read about the 3000 yd shot, wanna bet it's not coming?

Don Fischer · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2006, 11:57:59 AM »

Sorry Mac, I didn't answer your questions. Yes I did make a post about it over there. And I sometimes go to those sites because theres a lot to be learned from guys like that. It's not necessary to agree with shooting at game like that and up to that point I've pretty much left it alone over there. Intrestingly there's a guy there shooting a 338 Lapua at one mile at paper.....In a hand gun. I got no problem with it. Mostly I just read over there.

NONYA · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:02:20 PM »

Id be 10x more impressed with the guy who stalks a herd all day and kills an elk at 300 yards with a 30-06,if you nees a .50 cal to kill an elk u need to pick up a new pastime :roll:

nomosendero · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:29:50 PM »

No, but I would bet you would be the first to tell us.

Actually, we talked alot on that 50Cal. thread & accomplished nothing, partly my fault as I was on it also. That discussion could have been better served by going on a 50 site & talk to them. After all, not a single person
on this site hunted with a 50 & only 1 was even luke warm with the idea, not an issue & no logic in trying to make it one.

But trying to bring up this matter from another site is much worse. GB is a
great site & I visit & post on GB alot, but this is not a site that has extended range or extra long range shooting in mind & as you can see, we
do not have that catagory. And I don't think that anyone would try to dovetail 2,000Yard or even 1,000 Yard shooting with the 500-600 yard shooting that is rarely discussed here. That would be too silly to discuss.
I would not have an issue with a matter on a Speed Boat site & then go to
a John Boat site & try to raise an issue or even discuss it. For that matter,
I would not go to a 4X4 Monster Truck web site & be concerned or even want to discuss something that I saw on a Luxury Car site.

Anyone who knows me knows that I believe in going to the source.
Maybe it is because of the way I was raised, but if I have a concern or want to discuss something that I see on a web site or in person, I WILL TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE, PERIOD!! I believe they can respect you for that
whether you agree with them or not. This would also give respect to their web site as we would want others to respect this site.

I know the site that you pulled this information from so you should TAKE IT TO THEM. A real man would rather be talked to than talked about & a
real man would rather go to the source than talk behind their backs, so
go get em tiger.

nomosendero · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:35:40 PM »

I see you did make a little comment there, good, that is where it should have been to begin with.

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:40:00 PM »

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If one thing I'm learning it's that either no one cares or are unwilling to say so if they do. Say something and your dead meat.

That's the root of the problem with a lot of discussions. The, "If you disagree with someone's means of hunting you should join PETA" argument ruins any discussion of hunting ethics and where lines should be drawn concerning "sportsmanship".

nomosendero · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:53:15 PM »

Or because there are different levels of skill & different equipment just like there is with your wingshooting. That line cannot be the same for everyone.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:36:55 PM »

Someday someone is going to draw that line, and I damn sure hope it will be us.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:42:03 PM »

Don:

I went over to where you posted on LRH..and to be honest I really don't understand your point in doing so. You remind me of a anti-smoker I know...who on taking a seat in a smoking section of a resturaunt instantly started complaining about the smoke to several diners there.....

People are always going to do something we consider outragous...stupid...un-ethical....but..the thing is..unless they are breaking the law..it's their concern..not yours........

Mac

victorcharlie · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2006, 10:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Mac11700

Don:

I went over to where you posted on LRH..and to be honest I really don't understand your point in doing so. You remind me of a anti-smoker I know...who on taking a seat in a smoking section of a resturaunt instantly started complaining about the smoke to several diners there.....

People are always going to do something we consider outragous...stupid...un-ethical....but..the thing is..unless they are breaking the law..it's their concern..not yours........

Mac

Yep....but just wait long enough and there will be a law passed so we will all be criminals.

Where has idea of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness gone?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 01, 2006, 02:31:22 AM »

I wanted to stay out of this discussion, but I want to add my 2 cents in.

Mac11700, I agree with you 110%. People just feel the need to impost there will on others. Just because they think it's wrong in there minds or don't agree with it. If it is legal what is the problem? We already have enough restriction put on us as gun owners and hunters, and don't need to start putting more restriction on ourselves.

Here is a perfect example of self imposed restrictions I disagree with. At our range they banned 50 BMG's because some of the members complained. Now some of those same members want to ban big bore rifles like 375 H&H and up. Why are they doing that, because they don't shoot them and don't see a need for them. They consider them loud and annoying when they are shooting. But if we as gun owners and hunter keep putting self imposed restriction on ourselves, it will make the anit's job a lot easer. Now I am stepping off my soapbox.

nomosendero · « **Reply #16 on:** April 01, 2006, 03:00:27 AM »

Don, I think your "us" is a different group than my "us" would be.

nomosendero · « **Reply #17 on:** April 01, 2006, 04:17:21 AM »

Redhawk
Indeed, your range is a perfect example. You are saying that some of these members want to remove big bores, 375's & up. They also say that
they are too loud. Well, you and I both know that if they get those "Big Bores" removed, they will then notice the 300's, 7mm Mag's & say they have to get rid of those because they are loud too! And then they will want that THIRD line drawn.
And that's the way it is with "DRAWING THE LINE". Once that line is drawn,
the LINE will keep moving until finally you have a WALL & then you are done!

Mac11700 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2006, 05:07:23 AM »

I've thought about what this gentleman has done and have looked at how at first glance it could be miscronstrued into something bad..and I can see how someone who has never hunted might find fault with it and say"folks shouldn't do this type of thing.."..but....what these folks fail to realize is this was something done by a person who has a vast knowledge and experiance in what they were doing...and has the equipment to make it happen...It may not be what most folks consider hunting or sporting..but..to them that particpated doing it ..it was..and the only persons they should have to justify it to...is themselves...

It doesn't matter if we are hunting and shooting at 50 feet...or... 5000 yards...those that want to take our guns..see no decearnable difference in what the distance is..and if we start dividing ourselves on certain issues..then we are giving them the ammunition they need to add more restrictions day by day...It's time we start making ourselves better...and stop worrying about what someone else is doing legally..If you want to make a difference..help remove the poachers..and those who really shouldn't be out there with a gun like the drunks....not whinning about how far someone is shooting..

Mac

jro45 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:26:54 AM »

I belong to two different ranges. Myself and Redhawk belong to one of the two I belong to. This range is 200 yds and if a 50 caliber rifle shot at this range it would make big holes in the backstop. So I can understand why it not allowed. I also belong to a 600 yd range. I don't know if 50 caliber rifles are allowed or not. I know machine guns aren't allowed because they would bother the long range shooters you know tap tap tap tap.

The reason for wanting to band the great 375 H&H is probably because of the brakes on some of those rifles. Here lately I've been taking mine off
when shooting I've also been a member there for 20 years. I don't think it will be baned.

At this 600 yd range I shot a 4.5" group at 400yd with my 338 RUM shooting Serria 250gr bullets. I know it nothing like the other group but I don't have their equipment.

Graybeard · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:37:07 AM »

I'm impressed but NOT FAVORABLY. That is NOT hunting and has no place in a discussion of hunting. This ENDS NOW>